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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: Reign Over Me [Game Film?] |
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So Kotaku isn't worthless! It seems like they've tapped into a story about a film (Reign Over Me starring.... Adam Sandler and Don Cheadle) that will possibly handle games right for the first time ever: as the cohesive experience of the creator and of the player.
It may sound a little weird or perhaps even overwrought, but the film is going to attempt to have the main character deal with the after math of 9/11 by playing Shadow of the Colossus over and over again. Somehow dealing with falling building by looking at falling giants.
I haven't been interested in seeing an Adam Sandler movie in over a decade. But this seems like a first.
I think that this could be a major breakthrough for the medium of games. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
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aerisdead .
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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WTF _________________ aerisdead |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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thank you, o wise, benevolant hollywood, for shining a ray of light onto our most unworthy medium. _________________
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | It may sound a little weird or perhaps even overwrought, but the film is going to attempt to have the main character deal with the after math of 9/11 by playing Shadow of the Colossus over and over again |
IC died so this could live. _________________
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ApM Admin Rockstar
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 1210 Location: Ottawa, ON
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Matt, Punch-Drunk Love is pretty good. |
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Ethoscapade .
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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uhhhh
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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ApM wrote: | Hey Matt, Punch-Drunk Love is pretty good. |
Yeah, but I didn't want to see that before it came out. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
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antitype .
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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dessgeega wrote: | thank you, o wise, benevolant hollywood, for shining a ray of light onto our most unworthy medium. |
lol et al, but maybe it isn't quite like that. Maybe the screenwriter/director or whomever chose to use Shadow of the Colossus in this movie is just someone who plays videogames and finds special meaning in that one, just like many of us [EDIT: evidently so, now that I've read the Kotaku article and know about Roush introducing the game to Sandler and the scriptwriter]. To Adam Sandler's character it's somehow cathartic, apparently. It looks to be a pretty human way of dealing with his grief, and I don't think there's any need to get so indignant about it. I mean, it's a hell of a lot less insulting than yet another movie about some virtual reality game that kills all who dare to enter (OMG videogames are evil (OK, eXistenZ is an exception because it's Cronenberg (but I digress))). Like Shaper says, it's actually (for once) an intelligent representation of the meaningful videogame experience in film, and that's pretty cool.
I dunno, I kinda want to see this movie, too. Did before I knew that Colossus made an appearance in it, but this helps. _________________ antitype.livejournal.com | last.fm |
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wourme .
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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I generally can't stand popular culture references in movies, even references to things that I like (though that's never happened before that I can remember). I think this could be much better if they made up a video game that doesn't already exist. But it doesn't matter much what I think--there's very little chance I'd watch it either way because I've largely given up on movies.
If this gets more people to play SotC then it's for a good cause, I guess. It would be funny if they replaced the sound with Atari 2600 Pac-Man, just like most other movies and television shows that show someone playing a video game. (It must be in some standard sound library.) |
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antitype .
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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wourme wrote: | It would be funny if they replaced the sound with Atari 2600 Pac-Man, just like most other movies and television shows that show someone playing a video game. (It must be in some standard sound library.) |
And you think this would be anything but self-conscious and insulting? _________________ antitype.livejournal.com | last.fm |
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aerisdead .
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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wourme wrote: | And you think this would be anything but self-conscious and insulting? |
I think it would be awesome! When the colossus dies it's all the sound of Pac-Man dying!
Classic. _________________ aerisdead |
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SuperWes Updated the banners, but not his title
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't even click on this thread because I thought it was some pretentious fuck making an independent movie about gaming, but now that I see that it's a pretentious fuck making a Hollywood movie about gaming I'm stoked. This sounds like a movie I need to take my mom to to help her understand that all gaming isn't Grand Theft Auto.
-Wes _________________
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antitype .
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Well, you know, it's not actually "a movie about gaming". It's about post-9/11 grief, and how this guy deals with it. Actually, it sounds a bit like the Jeff Bridges film Fearless...
The fact that SotC is in it, as a means of dealing with this grief -- somewhat prominently, it seems -- is simply cool, though. _________________ antitype.livejournal.com | last.fm |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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SuperWes wrote: | I didn't even click on this thread because I thought it was some pretentious fuck making an independent movie about gaming, but now that I see that it's a pretentious fuck making a Hollywood movie about gaming I'm stoked. |
wes, this is you in a nutshell. _________________
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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dessgeega wrote: | SuperWes wrote: | I didn't even click on this thread because I thought it was some pretentious fuck making an independent movie about gaming, but now that I see that it's a pretentious fuck making a Hollywood movie about gaming I'm stoked. |
wes, this is you in a nutshell. |
I concur! _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | The fact that SotC is in it, as a means of dealing with this grief -- somewhat prominently, it seems -- is simply cool, though. |
it mostly seems like an IC in-joke come to life.
lonely movie.
it's a little creepy actually. _________________
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antitype .
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Heh. Well, I get the IC in-joke thing, but creepy?
Maybe if Sandler is anything like his character in Punch Drunk Love, which was pretty creepy. It was also very funny, though, and there was some awkward truth to it. Having once dealt with panic attacks and hiding from the world myself, I kind of appreciated it.
Anyway, nah. I don't think there's anything creepy about this. _________________ antitype.livejournal.com | last.fm |
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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dude. it's NGJ the game the film the thread.
"to put these attacks in perspective i played shadow of the colossus. i felt like each falling giant was a fragment of the greatest colossus of all - the colossus of love and fear."
[single tear rolls down cheek as credits roll] _________________
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antitype .
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Again, the movie is evidently not just 2 hours of Adam Sandler sitting on a couch and solemnly playing Shadow of the Colossus with a box of tissues at his side.
My feeling is maybe you're being a little bit cynical about this. _________________ antitype.livejournal.com | last.fm |
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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not cynical, just kind of amazed.
of all the games to pick, right? _________________
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FortNinety Pheonix Wright
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Hollywood, for ruining one of my favorite games.
antitype wrote: | Well, you know, it's not actually "a movie about gaming". It's about post-9/11 grief, and how this guy deals with it. Actually, it sounds a bit like the Jeff Bridges film Fearless.... |
I hate to ask this, but did you actually watch Fearless? Because it was so fucking terrible....
Back to the subject at hand, I hate to pull the NYC card, but I wasn't going to see this more already due it being about 9/11. But add in Adam fucking Sandler... What else? Fill the theater with the scent of dried urine? |
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FortNinety Pheonix Wright
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder if Simon wants me to review this movie for GSW? I hope not... |
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antitype .
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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FortNinety wrote: | antitype wrote: | Well, you know, it's not actually "a movie about gaming". It's about post-9/11 grief, and how this guy deals with it. Actually, it sounds a bit like the Jeff Bridges film Fearless.... |
I hate to ask this, but did you actually watch Fearless? Because it was so fucking terrible... |
Honestly, no, I didn't -- I was just reading about it the other day on Netflix when I looked up the Jet Li film of the same name. The premise sounded a bit like that of Reign Over Me.
Yeah, see, I thought the resentment toward this movie might be kind of a NY thing. Though I must say, I'm not really a big fan of Adam Sandler, either. Anyhow, I was half-watching the Daily Show earlier, and Cheadle was talking about how it's not really just a movie about 9/11, but two guys who are able to help each other through their problems because they can learn from each other -- they've got a mutual case of the grass being green on the other side, and their friendship brings them to appreciate each of their own lives again. Or something like that; this is just what I've gathered from things I've read.
Who knows, maybe it'll totally blow and I'll feel silly for having defended it in this thread. I have a feeling it won't, so I'll risk the six bucks to find out. _________________ antitype.livejournal.com | last.fm |
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simplicio .
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:57 am Post subject: |
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Of course, in NYC you have to risk 11 bucks to find out.
But money or no, is a few minutes of SotC footage worth spending 2 hours wanting to strangulate yourself with red vines for? This dude's last couple movies were Ben Affleck and Kevin Costner vehicles, after all. |
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helicopterp .
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: |
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FortNinety wrote: | Thanks Hollywood, for ruining one of my favorite games. |
FortNinety, I mean this in the most specific and un-ad-hominem-ish way possible: that is one of the stupidest and most pointless sentences I have ever read.
I have no idea whether the movie will handle its Shadow of the Colossus aspect well or poorly, but why be so upset about it?
No one is taking your game from you. _________________ Like you thought you'd seen copter perverts before. They were nothing compared to this one. |
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aerisdead .
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: |
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BUT I CAN'T KILL A COLOSSUS NOW WITHOUT THINKING OF ADAM SANDLER
BLOO BLOO BLOO _________________ aerisdead |
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wourme .
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: |
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aerisdead wrote: | BUT I CAN'T KILL A COLOSSUS NOW WITHOUT THINKING OF ADAM SANDLER |
Especially after seeing the scenes where the character escapes into his own imagination and Adam Sandler actually plays Wanderer, reenacting scenes from the game. Sandler will yell a hilarious insulting remark and/or make a rude sound each time a colossus dies (and the Pac-Man sound effect plays). |
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | BUT I CAN'T KILL A COLOSSUS NOW WITHOUT THINKING OF ADAM SANDLER |
i wonder if after making this movie he can't kill a colossus without thinking of himself?
lonely actor.
Quote: | Of course, in NYC you have to risk 11 bucks to find out. |
i can still get five buck matinees by me.
still kind of a rip-off though. _________________
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:43 am Post subject: |
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For a little more clarity:
Aparently the film sucks. The SotC parts are just something happening in the background (though I'm sure it could be spun in any direction). And Sandler's wife, daughter, and dog died from being in one of the planes and now he can't deal with reality.
I'm guessing this same movie could have been done w/o aping 9/11. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
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aerisdead .
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:18 am Post subject: |
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The dog too?
;_;
All joking aside, I'm surprised about the response to this. Director intelligently places game into film (regardless of the film's quality) to fit the themes of the work. What's wrong with that?
It's like complaining that pop music is being used in soundtracks now, or something. People complain endlessly when people are seen holding controllers upside down and Pac-man sound effects play, and now someone has placed a game in a film as a meaningful piece of background no one is happy either.
I just really don't see what the problem is. _________________ aerisdead |
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:24 am Post subject: |
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No, I don't have a problem with it at all! I think it's honestly a good thing and a step in the right direction. It's a shame it's in a bad (aparently) movie. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
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aerisdead .
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:37 am Post subject: |
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I wun't cussin' you, Shaper.
I mean, I have been cussing this film for ages on the horrible adverts (though "the first cut is the deepest" now makes me think of the first stab into a Colossus, amusingly) but I just think this is interesting. I'm kind of struggling to see how it could be bad. _________________ aerisdead |
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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aerisdead wrote: | I wun't cussin' you, Shaper.
I mean, I have been cussing this film for ages on the horrible adverts (though "the first cut is the deepest" now makes me think of the first stab into a Colossus, amusingly) but I just think this is interesting. I'm kind of struggling to see how it could be bad. |
Punk attitude and culture?
"Get your dicks out of our hobby"?
Don't let "the man" get you down. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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for the record i just thought it was really funny. it's like, uh, something [person xyz] would have posted, except in movie form. _________________
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aerisdead .
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Well... I mean, is it really so bad to think someone might zone out with a video game when dealing with grief?
I know I have, the same way I've watched any old fucking movie to not have to think, or listened to music really loudly. Makes perfect sense to me.
Personally, it would be /much/ funnier if he was playing Katamari and kept rolling the ball into the facsimile of New York. While crying. _________________ aerisdead |
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:44 am Post subject: |
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bad, no. i mean, i spent three days stoned out of my gourd and afraid to call my friends' parents houses because i didn't want to hear their mom tell me they were dead, so i totally get that.
it's just of all games to pick, i mean, it's perfect for this particular memeplex. _________________
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aerisdead .
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:07 am Post subject: |
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dhex wrote: | it's just of all games to pick, i mean, it's perfect for this particular memeplex. |
I can see that, yeah. _________________ aerisdead |
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FortNinety Pheonix Wright
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: |
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helicopterp wrote: | FortNinety wrote: | Thanks Hollywood, for ruining one of my favorite games. |
FortNinety, I mean this in the most specific and un-ad-hominem-ish way possible: that is one of the stupidest and most pointless sentences I have ever read.
I have no idea whether the movie will handle its Shadow of the Colossus aspect well or poorly, but why be so upset about it?
No one is taking your game from you. |
Well, I was kinda joking. Well, not joing, but over-exaggerating.
dhex wrote: | Quote: | Of course, in NYC you have to risk 11 bucks to find out. |
i can still get five buck matinees by me.
still kind of a rip-off though. |
Well you could always just buy one ticket early in the afternoon at the AMC at Times Square and just hop around for the rest of the day. That place has like zero employees to check on shit like that.
dhex wrote: | bad, no. i mean, i spent three days stoned out of my gourd and afraid to call my friends' parents houses because i didn't want to hear their mom tell me they were dead, so i totally get that.
it's just of all games to pick, i mean, it's perfect for this particular memeplex. |
Well I played Rez about three hours a day, seven days a week, for a couple of months after 9/11. But that was mostly due to being unemployed, due to 9/11. As for directly dealing with the trauma, I went to Great Adventure with my best friend's ex! And then for the next couple of months afterwards, aroused suspicions that we were up to no good. |
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Mister Toups Hates your favorite videogame
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dessgeega wrote: | SuperWes wrote: | I didn't even click on this thread because I thought it was some pretentious fuck making an independent movie about gaming, but now that I see that it's a pretentious fuck making a Hollywood movie about gaming I'm stoked. |
wes, this is you in a nutshell. |
No, this is wes in a nutshell:
Wes: "Help! I'm trapped in a nutshell! And I think Playstation Home looks really cool!" _________________ where were you when nana komatsu got a wii? |
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SuperWes Updated the banners, but not his title
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Mister Toups wrote: | dessgeega wrote: | SuperWes wrote: | I didn't even click on this thread because I thought it was some pretentious fuck making an independent movie about gaming, but now that I see that it's a pretentious fuck making a Hollywood movie about gaming I'm stoked. |
wes, this is you in a nutshell. |
No, this is wes in a nutshell:
Wes: "Help! I'm trapped in a nutshell! And I think Playstation Home looks really cool!" |
Pssh. It looks way cooler and more likely to be used than fucking Pictochat, and people didn't bitch about that when it was given to them for free.
-Wes _________________
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Nana Komatsu weak sauce
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aerisdead .
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Yeah, I've never had the chance to use pictochat at GDC or anything, but some hilarious shit has happened across it I'm told.
Turns out it was genius after all! _________________ aerisdead |
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antitype .
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I went and saw this movie with my brother this evening.
So I'm sure people on the internet will be making fun of Adam Sandler singing-screaming "REEEEEIGN OVER MEEEAAGGGH" in one particular scene, and perhaps rightly so (because that was just a bit over the top), but otherwise I thought it was a very, very good movie.
The involvement of "Shadows of Colossus" wasn't as profound as we might've guessed, and Adam Sandler is guilty of perpetuating the stupid "wiggle your fingers on the controller" film fallacy, but it was still kind of cool to see something recognizable rather than some generic alien bloop-fest. It was very much the lonely game (lol), which is still better and more fitting than plenty of other possibilities.
I guess I just liked it because I like seeing people work through their pain and help others along the way. It was also unexpectedly quite hilarious in parts! _________________ antitype.livejournal.com | last.fm |
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Mr. Mechanical Friendly Stranger
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dhex wrote: | Quote: | It may sound a little weird or perhaps even overwrought, but the film is going to attempt to have the main character deal with the after math of 9/11 by playing Shadow of the Colossus over and over again |
IC died so this could live. |
*applause*
Yeah, I kind of want to see this now that SotC is involved. At first I imagined that it'd be an alright movie on it's own, but it seems like the game is playing a much more important role in the story. That's pretty big, I guess. Bigger than when Vince Vaughn played San Andreas while Jennifer Anniston walked by naked in The Break-Up, at least. _________________ Mr. Mechanical |
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Remember when you had a favorite band that the popular kids started to like so then you hated them because it's popular but deep down inside you thought the band was cool and then... _________________ Wii #: 8749 9109 9732 3653
"It is a peaceful way of understanding life, to play"
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Nana Komatsu weak sauce
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player 2 wrote: | Remember when you had a favorite band that the popular kids started to like so then you hated them because it's popular but deep down inside you thought the band was cool and then... |
I never did that. That's just dumb. _________________ resetbutton.net: videogames for unattractive people |
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dhex Breeder
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Quote: | Remember when you had a favorite band that the popular kids started to like so then you hated them because it's popular but deep down inside you thought the band was cool and then... |
Fallout thread!
sorry...memories... _________________
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