The Gamer's Quarter

dark steve · . Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 1110

This ubik guy on IC is your joke account, right? I think you overdid it, but he's only a hair past unbelievable.

dessgeega · Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:50 am Post subject:

you have to tell me what the deal is with the coin-theives / mutiny-assholes. f'real.
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dark steve · . Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 1110

I don't even have a clue about that stuff, I'm just picking up the psychic warfare and David Icke references.

dhex · Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:16 pm Post subject:

no, he isn't. i swear. i don't do joke accounts.

/me puts on old straw hat, starts packing sweet cherry tobaccky in corncob pipe

you see, young'uns, when you're as old as i am, joke accounts remind you of the days when someone would spam a listserv under several addresses, or start posting from retard accounts to rec.music.industrial. i don't rock that way.

i thought he was kidding, then i realized he's at least somewhat serious. i'm having fun fucking with him, though.
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icycalm · . Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 39 Location: Hellas/Nippon

So I see the callout threads that I MYSELF PIONEERED have been catching on.

Good work!
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dessgeega · Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:49 am Post subject:

dhex · Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:56 am Post subject:

had you met me when i was 17, well, skip all the dodgy david icke/illuminati nonsense and change it to hardcore materialism, and make it straight edge, and that's more or less something i would say.

except i appreciated the value of hard work, having come from that sort of family.
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SuperWes · Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:00 pm Post subject:

Wait a minute. Does that mean dhex was NYCHC? That is AWESOME! I was on the outskirts of the Indianapolis scene for a bit myself back in the day, but since I've pretty much calmed down. Did you ever see Gorilla Biscuits?

-Wes
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dhex · Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:05 pm Post subject:

NJHC, but not really. i never got along with scenes, being a giant dork in fields largely filled with tiny people. i spent quite a few years trying to woo a mallternative chick who was, and still is in some ways, the approximation of perfect woman. she may be dead now, actually, i have no idea.

but i just hated drugs as a class. some sort of weird high school essentialism thing...imagine aquinas meets just say no.

ironic, that.
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dessgeega · Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:27 pm Post subject:

i just say no to aquinas.
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dhex · Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:30 pm Post subject:

actually, he's sort of a brilliant writer, at least for his time period. it's like looking into the brain of the smartest man alive of his time.

essentialism, however, was something i must have absorbed from somewhere. at least it heavily affected my thinking at that time. too much neitzche at an early age is bad for kids, in one sense.
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dessgeega · Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:22 pm Post subject:

except that aquinas basically just rewrote aristotle, and believed that women existed only to justify the dominance of men.
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dhex · Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject:

well, yeah. and no. the woman part, yeah. but that's par for the course for pretty much everyone everywhere until 1850 or so. and the cathars, to a degree.

he didn't rewrite aristotle so much as reconciled him with neo-platonic christian thinking of the time, and did it in such a way that an entirely new breed of ethics was born.
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Mister Toups · Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:28 pm Post subject:

I still think aristotle gets a bad rap, honestly.
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dhex · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:27 am Post subject:

yeah, well. a lot of people get a bad rap these days in teh academy. none of the greeks had anything remotely close to what we'd call "good politics." but what does that mean?

on the plus side, if public education keeps going the way it does, there'll be no more bad raps in another generation because no one will have bothered reading the western canon, not out of the politics of limp rage but out of a complete lack of ability to teach it.

i dunno if you've talked to anyone in a high school lately, but fuck. it's pretty bad. it was bad when i was in high school, but now it's like, real fucking bad.

i'm trying to slog my way through some robert nozick. he's an interesting guy.

edit: i'm working on turning his private messages (he's sent me seven so far i think) into some sort of poetry slam. they're all quite good.

Mister Toups · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:35 am Post subject:

By D.S. does he mean the Nintendo console? Please say yes.
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SuperWes · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:41 am Post subject:

Please!

-Wes
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dessgeega · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:04 am Post subject:

dhex · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:30 am Post subject:

yes, but so was the entire world, until about 1850 or so. and still is, in many parts of africa.

i.e. it means nothing. such judgements lead to madness, and all sorts of very wicked realpolitick justifications for awful (if completely normal) mammalian behavior.

the western canon is far more important than the people who produced it.
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dessgeega · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:40 am Post subject:

actually, chattle slavery, the trading of human beings as commodities, has existed only in a few places and times in human history, ancient greece being one of them, america being another.

not to mention the mind/body ideal/material dynamic of plato is totally indicative of a society where slaves do all the work while rich native-born men sit around talking philosophy. and is complete rubbish.

of course, this is getting increasingly irrelevent.
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Szczepaniak · . Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 770

Who, or what, is this us, our and we that ubik keeps reffering to?

Creepy.

I personally try not to think too deeply into things like philosophy, I had enough of that during A-levels (fact hunters may be interested to know that the 12th and 13th years of British education allow Philosohpy and Sociology to be studied in-depth over 2 years).

So like, can someone provide links to topics involving this stuff? Is he aware of TGQ? How did this all start? He seems hostile. What were your innitial PM replies to him?

I feel like I've jumped into a film half-way through....

EDIT:
I just realised, he was the dude talking about Elite on the Amstrad. The guy is British?!
Shocked

dessgeega · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:34 am Post subject:

i think most of what he says has to do with this.
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Mister Toups · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:36 am Post subject:

As in Buffalo Wings?
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Szczepaniak · . Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 770

Creepy.

Cany anyone give me the gist of it, in like 5 sentences?

EDIT:
As someone who believes in aliens, that does get quite creepy later on...

Mister Toups · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:57 am Post subject:

Everything you've ever been taught is a lie, you're trapped in the Matrix, your only hope is to listen to us ramble on about metaphysics, religion, and name-drop obscure French philosophers.

Or at least, that's the impression I get.
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dhex · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:58 am Post subject:

hardly. stuff like this is deeply relevant.

dhex · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:59 am Post subject:

Mister Toups · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:02 am Post subject:

It's important as context, too.

I guess this is hopelessly Platonic of me, but I like to think that a person's ideas exist independantly of his physical habits and lifestyle. At the end of the day, at any rate. Of course your culture way of life influences your thoughts and how you express them. But there's a difference.
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dessgeega · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:12 am Post subject:

Szczepaniak · . Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 770

Cheers for that single sentence gist.

But how does that connect to an alien invasion in 2011?

I've often thought to myself, what would it be like in a plantary war? Where we'd all be literally drafted to fight for the human race.... maybe a bit like Halo.

Except of course, we'd probably be anihalated due our inferior technology.

Cripes, I hope it happens after I get a payrise first.

dhex · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:21 am Post subject:

Szczepaniak · . Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 770

So then, what is YOUR take on all these things?

dhex · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:11 pm Post subject:

short version: people need to stop reading bad new age shit, learn how to use a library, learn something about mechanics and basic physics of engineering and give the fuck up on magical thinking. culture rape is dehumanizing and deluding.

frankly, if the ancient peoples of the world were so advanced spiritually why the fuck did they do all the gross stuff they did? the mayans were so spiritually advanced that they lived in a semi-theocratic oligarchy, threw children into lakes to stop droughts and lacerated their lips, tongues, limbs and genitals with jade knives and thorns pushed through a hemp rope to help keep the dead from leaving xibalba and eating them.

(there's another side to this, in that those who would argue such cultural defects made the spanish invasion somehow less brutal. those people are total assholes too, and need to be slapped.)

they were very good astronomers, though. hence the 2012 thing. (their calendar ends in 2012 on december 21 or 23 depending on whose translation you use, which has made people freak out and folks like terrence mckenna write somewhat odd and flighty essays about what it all means, man)

http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/ as an example of, well, what i would call brutally stupid assertations disguised as reasoning merged with very bad web design.
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Tablesaw · . Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 303 Location: LACAUSA

dhex · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:14 pm Post subject:

big ups!

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dessgeega · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:45 pm Post subject:

that was pretty great.
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dhex · Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:12 pm Post subject:

[nerd hat]
there's a lot of speculation in some quarters that the aztec theocracy was losing ground, and that either political upheaval from the groups they were warring on and sacrificing from would have toppled them or a broad change in aztec religious understanding would have ended the practice of human sacrifice.
[/nerd hat]
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