The Gamer's Quarter Forum Index The Gamer's Quarter
A quarterly publication
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Learing & Gaming

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    The Gamer's Quarter Forum Index -> Quarterly Discussion
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Shapermc
Hot Sake!
Hot Sake!


Joined: 14 Oct 2004
Posts: 6279

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:36 am    Post subject: Learing & Gaming Reply with quote

Yes there has been some talk of this lately. I just wanted to bring up that I read probably one of the better IGN articles out there. Here is a summary/re-write of an article published in Discover Magazine. My wife subscribes to it so I am going to see how well it compairs to this re-write. I only have one problem with the article really:

“The researchers debunked the premise that visually intelligent people were more likely to be attracted to videogames in the first place. After a week of playing EA's Medal of Honor, they found that the group's skills improved. The evidence was overwhelming: games were literally making people perceive the world more clearly.”

Ok… what the hell does the first sentence have to do with the follow up?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address
SuperWes
Updated the banners, but not his title
Updated the banners, but not his title


Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Posts: 3725

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are" visually intelligent" people? And more importantly, what is learing?

-Wes
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address
dessgeega
loves your favorite videogame
loves your favorite videogame


Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 6563
Location: bohan

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

isn't that when you sort of stare at someone and make them uncomfortable?
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
dhex
Breeder
Breeder


Joined: 13 Dec 2004
Posts: 6319
Location: brooklyn, Nev Yiork

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) it is highly unlikely the research did anything but indicate a preference or group of tendencies for their study group

2) ign
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
dessgeega
loves your favorite videogame
loves your favorite videogame


Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 6563
Location: bohan

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ign makes me uncomfortable.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
SuperWes
Updated the banners, but not his title
Updated the banners, but not his title


Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Posts: 3725

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be "leering."

dictionary.com wrote:
intr.v. leered, leer·ing, leers

To look with a sidelong glance, indicative especially of sexual desire or sly and malicious intent.


Hell yes!

-Wes
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address
dark steve
.
.


Joined: 17 Jun 2005
Posts: 1110

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a not-bad book called "What Videogames Have to Teach Us About Learning and Literacy" written by a fairly serious linguist named James Paul Gee. It's strikingly not pretentious. Much of the book is the author, a Baby Boomer who has never played a modern videogame before, throwing himself at Deus Ex, Pikmin, etc. until he finally beats them, and then writing about "how he learned." It's a good read, he actually has some decent insight.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address
nICO
.
.


Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Posts: 120
Location: WVUSA

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was actually thinking about starting a thread on this a couple weeks back, but never got around to it.

As Shaper said, the article that matters is not actually from IGN but Discover magazine. I've had a sub to Discover for over 5 years now, so I obviously like it myself. It focuses on the macro of scientific discoveries and theories without getting bogged down by the micro, which is good for non-specialists such as myself who are interested in learning about new trends in science, but aren't necessarily obsessive.

As for the article, I forget my exact reaction, to be honest. I'm in no position to judge the results of the study, but as far as mainstream coverage of games goes, this article is certainly worth a read.

I seem to have misplaced my print copy of the magazine, but if I ever find it I might offer some quotations.

A summary can be found here.

And what in the world is that New Adventures of the Time Machine game that blew the researcher away?
_________________
Brauner: Damn you, humans... You selfishly start wars and despoil the earth. Perhaps justice wasn't on my side but I will never admit that it was on yours.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address
Shapermc
Hot Sake!
Hot Sake!


Joined: 14 Oct 2004
Posts: 6279

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dark steve wrote:
Much of the book is the author, a Baby Boomer who has never played a modern videogame before, throwing himself at Deus Ex, Pikmin, etc. until he finally beats them, and then writing about "how he learned." It's a good read, he actually has some decent insight.

I actually passed this book over because that is not how... amazon?... where ever I was looking presented it. Now it actually sounds kind of interesting.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address
SuperWes
Updated the banners, but not his title
Updated the banners, but not his title


Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Posts: 3725

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another book that might be worth checking out is Everything Bad is Good for You.

There's a review here.

-Wes
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address
dark steve
.
.


Joined: 17 Jun 2005
Posts: 1110

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaper, you don't even have to buy this one if you're apprehensive. James Paul Gee actually has enough academic clout to put the book in a lot of libraries (remember those?), which is where I found it (A crappy rural university library no less).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address
Pootivic
.
.


Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Posts: 15

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there's a;ways new research like this comming out that won't make any difference in the perception of games.


LOOK, heres annother about how videogames help with conflict reslution!
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/US/story?id=814220&page=1
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pootivic
.
.


Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Posts: 15

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperWes wrote:
Another book that might be worth checking out is Everything Bad is Good for You.

There's a review here.

-Wes



oh, heres an interview with the guy who wrote that. He was on the daily show a little while ago.

http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=15541&poppedFrom=_shows_the_daily_show_videos_celebrity_interviews_index.jhtml&
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dhex
Breeder
Breeder


Joined: 13 Dec 2004
Posts: 6319
Location: brooklyn, Nev Yiork

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

everything bad for you is a decent book.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Shapermc
Hot Sake!
Hot Sake!


Joined: 14 Oct 2004
Posts: 6279

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pootivic wrote:
there's a;ways new research like this comming out that won't make any difference in the perception of games.

I was more just saying it was a decent read. I don't expect to change public view.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address
aderack
.
.


Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 1105
Location: San Francisco

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't mind a game made from King Lear.

You know. I don't think I've seen anyone attempt an adaptation of Shakespeare. It wouldn't work well with tradtional design methods, of course. There's... something there, though.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
dessgeega
loves your favorite videogame
loves your favorite videogame


Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 6563
Location: bohan

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

go here.
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Shapermc
Hot Sake!
Hot Sake!


Joined: 14 Oct 2004
Posts: 6279

PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dessgeega wrote:
go here.

I will play this at work tomorrow. Nice.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    The Gamer's Quarter Forum Index -> Quarterly Discussion All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group