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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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Wait... are these just releases from this year? _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I reckon.
i just realised something I really hate! When Journalists try and hammer square pegs into round holes! It's like there are stock ways of talking about unusual and underground comic strips and you have to make your description of the book fit this stock template, rather than tailor your review to the actual book you're fucking talking about. For example:
Quote: | Achewood defies categorization or description |
Categorisation: comic strip. Description: A bunch of anthropomorphic animals talk about cooking and getting high. Sometimes things happen.
Or a review I once read for Dan Clowes' David Boring:
Quote: | Oh, and did I mention that much of this is very, very, funny? |
I should hope not because nothing in that book is or is meant to be funny in the slightest, stop making fucking shit up
In fashion magazines, sometimes you get profiles of obtuse bands the writer assumes the reader is never going to actually track down and listen to, like OOIOO, and the reviewer will just describe a fantasy sound that doesn't exist, like oh they've all got 6 months to live and they murder cats onstage to get their sound, so the reader will think 'gosh, I must be awfully hip to be reading about such a far-out and extreme band such as this, I'll continue buying this magazine and leave it lying around so people know how cool I am' while I'm thinking 'I've heard that fucking band, they are not an extreme noise music band, they're a pop band who just happens to know Yamataka Eye, and in actual fact they sing about eating cookies and catching the bus. I mean WHAT THE FUCK, WHO BENEFITS FROM THIS DECEPTION |
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Winged Assassins (1984) .
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Sensational(ized)! _________________
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Dracko .
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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What a silly list! _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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I think they just typed in 'comic' into Google Image search and wrote down the first ten things that came up.
No one seriously reads Time Magazine though, right? Apparently they had an article on 'why French culture is dead' recently which was pretty shameful. |
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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i've found it very hard to describe achewood, because i have no knowledge of the "genre" or whatever as a whole and partially because it's all surrealist claptrap laden with tender truth. it's also the greatest fucking thing ever, but that's neither here nor there.
or i just send them this:
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Pink Teddy Bear .
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm. Guess I don't have a sense of humor. |
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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I like Achewood, but I personally didn't laugh at that one. You have to read quite a few Achewoods in a row to really get the tone of the strip, but it's worth it.
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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time is a general interest magazine; their comics top ten would have as much of a chance of satisfying comics fans as their year in music roundup would pass my muster. wrong audience.
someone once politely, obliquely, but decidedly told me that i liked achewood so much because i had no real understanding of comics or graphic novels or whatever. they were a fan's fan, so i can appreciate that. i would also have accepted "random sense of humor" and "easily amused by references to mexican magical realism." _________________
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:39 am Post subject: |
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Man, that fart techniques thing is invaluable. Live by it. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
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daphaknee just enemies now
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:33 am Post subject: |
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porkchops and applesauce? noooooooooo!
noooo!
noooo!
anyway half of these arent even graphic novels so shut up time
edit: and PEANUTS? thats just forced like when you ask a ROCKSTAR what 10 albums they would bring with them on a desert island one of them is ALWAYS the white album
they just feel obligated
man
shut up time
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aderack .
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:10 am Post subject: |
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Weird point of reference here for a TIME article. _________________
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Winged Assassins (1984) .
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:11 am Post subject: |
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daphaknee wrote: | ask a ROCKSTAR what 10 albums they would bring with them on a desert album and one of them is ALWAYS the white album |
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dark steve .
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In fairness to Chuck Schultz, you can't really get around Chuck Schultz. _________________
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Dracko .
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:30 am Post subject: |
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You can if you know Bill Waterson. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Bill Watterson isn't really comparable to Charles Schulz. I claim authority on this subject on the basis that I'm the only one who can actually spell the people's names. |
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: |
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you can't libel the dead.
speaking of which i never really got why people have giant eight foot boners about calvin and hobbes. _________________
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: |
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I loved it wholeheartedly when I was a kid, but now I think it's twee in some places and soap-boxy in others, which you could never say about Peanuts. Also, I think that right now it has that Fido Dido, Nirvana, Zombies Ate My Neighbours-style twang of early 90's datedness, but I'm sure that'll pass.
People have boners for it partly because Bill Watterson had staunch, angry, Bill Hicks-style principles and wouldn't merchandise his strip or allow the syndicate to continue Calvin and Hobbes without him, so he's kind of a cult hero to some people. But it's also because his strip is when at its best imaginative, funny, beautifully drawn and utterly charming. And it's also quite nuanced and layered. It's basically about a genius child who is completely unable to apply himself academically, so he retreats into his imagination. It's quite sad in a way, especially in that Calvin only has one friend and he's not real.
My favorite Calvin and Hobbes stuff is the full colour, multi-page comics Watterson did for the Anthologies! He really should have done more of those! |
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Swimmy .
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dhex wrote: | time is a general interest magazine; their comics top ten would have as much of a chance of satisfying comics fans as their year in music roundup would pass my muster. wrong audience.
someone once politely, obliquely, but decidedly told me that i liked achewood so much because i had no real understanding of comics or graphic novels or whatever. they were a fan's fan, so i can appreciate that. i would also have accepted "random sense of humor" and "easily amused by references to mexican magical realism." |
I go with "AMAZING turns of phrase like dudes of gravity." _________________
"Ayn Rand fans are the old school version of Xenogears fanboys."
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boojiboy7 .
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Shapermc wrote: | Man, that fart techniques thing is invaluable. Live by it. |
Chicks don't fart. Remember that. Also, remember never to inform them that they occasionally cut massive ones in their sleep. This probably should have been in my relationship thread post somewhere. |
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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I just crack up every time I read 'she does a :( ' |
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Cycle Mac daddy
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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it took me about five minutes to realise what the hell it meant by "she does a "
i don't really dig achewood. some funny ones here and there but for the most part i think it's a bit meh. _________________
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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I stopped reading every day because I started to find it incredibly repetitive, but it seems to have picked up again. Kind of annoying. To use an analogy you'd understand, it's like when you're watching Neighbours on TV and nothing much is happening so you go to the dunny, and when you come back you find you've missed Bouncer getting eaten by a Dingo. Hope that helps. |
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Cycle Mac daddy
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harveyjams i thought you would be above stereotyping _________________
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sorry ; _ ; |
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Winged Assassins (1984) .
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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Harveyjames wrote: | it's like when you're watching Neighbours on TV |
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Cycle Mac daddy
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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harveyjams you just made enemies with every australian on this board
and that's like half the population
you will rue this day, harveyjams. _________________
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daphaknee just enemies now
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Wait but i can get around peanuts because it was never funny i never liked it i always avoided it but i read the hell out of calvin and hobbes and garfield |
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Winged Assassins (1984) .
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Has Garfield ever been funny at all? _________________
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Cycle Mac daddy
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think it's been funny since the 80's. I enjoyed it back then but it was always very hit or miss. I still love Peanuts, though. _________________
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daphaknee just enemies now
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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GUYS do you think garfield is the reason america is so fat |
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Winged Assassins (1984) .
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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No I think America is the reason that Garfield is so fat. Okay, maybe not just Americans but it's easier to use them as an example because they are so fat. _________________
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Scratchmonkey .
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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The early Peanuts is actually kind of wry and amusing. The art is better too, which is kind of weird.
And then there's Peanuts by Bukowski. |
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The Great Unwashed .
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Garfield used to be totally great. I loved the early strips. I have a fairly dogged copy of the first Garfield collection. I forget what it's called, it has a red cover (that is now half-hanging off). Nowadays I read the Garfield strips and choke on my cornflakes. I can't believe what it has become. I think this is partly the reason for my raging boner still about Calvin and Hobbes, that Watterson remained pure the whole way through and quit while he was ahead. Recently I picked up The Complete Calvin and Hobbes, as well as The Complete Far Side. They're both gorgeous collections, in huge hardcover, I'd wholeheartedly recommend them to anyone.
Also, as an Australian, I am offended by Harveyjams insinuation that anybody would actually watch Neighbours. _________________
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The Great Unwashed .
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Winged Assassins (1984) .
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: |
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If you remove all the text from Garfield's speech and thoughts...
you still get Garfield.
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captaincabinets .
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The Great Unwashed wrote: | Also, as an Australian, I am offended by Harveyjams insinuation that anybody would actually watch Neighbours. |
Yeah it's Home and Away or nothing harveyjames you flamin' galah _________________ Why am I being boiled into a bright red lobster by this little kid? |
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Cycle Mac daddy
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Too right, mate! _________________
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Dracko .
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Winged Assassins (1984) wrote: | Has Garfield ever been funny at all? |
Harveyjames wrote: | To use an analogy you'd understand, it's like when you're watching Neighbours on TV and nothing much is happening so you go to the dunny, and when you come back you find you've missed Bouncer getting eaten by a Dingo. Hope that helps. |
[url=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7325072488304689666]?[/url] _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Scratchmonkey wrote: | The early Peanuts is actually kind of wry and amusing. The art is better too, which is kind of weird.[/url]. |
Yeah let's be too cool for school and pretend to like the earlier Peanuts more than the later stuff WOOO I think the problem is people tend to take Peanuts for granted. It's amazing, seriously clever shit. You know Umberto Eco wrote the introduction for the first Italian collection of Peanuts? He did!
In the early Peanuts the joke is that these kids sometimes talk like adults. In the later Peanuts the PREMISE is that these kids talk like adults. The early stuff is mostly just about mischeivious litte kids getting up to scrapes and misappropriating adult concepts. If you like that you probably think Family Circus is pretty neat, too.
The art isn't better. If you mean the 60's Peanuts is better than in late 90's Peanuts when Schulz's hand was so shaky it looked like he'd drawn the strip with one of those wacky joke pens, maybe. Otherwise, no way! The early stuff looks like second-rate 50's spot illustration and advertising art. By the 60's, though, he'd fully developed his own style which was completely unique to him.. Have a look at the way he draws hands, feet or bushes. Or how atmospheric the strip becomes when he makes it rain. Or the facial expressions. Or the amount of snap and energy and movement there is when big actions happen like Charlie Brown getting hit by a baseball so hard it knocks his shoes off.
He invented comic strips as we know them. Without Peanuts there'd be no Calvin and Hobbes. Once you fully appreciate Peanuts, Calvin and Hobbes really looks like the work of a minor artist. And Peanuts is phenomenally successful, but you could never pitch it in a boardroom meeting today. It's about a kid who never, ever gets a break. His baseball team never wins and never feels accepted by his peers, even his own dog. His kite always gets stuck in the tree. With no respite, learning or growing from these experience. Ever. It's decidedly unmainstream subject matter, and yet there was a point where it was almost universally beloved, by kids, adults, left and right, hippies and squares.
Ok, but that's the party line on Peanuts which you've all heard anyway. People have been saying what I've just said for years. It's a very established point of view, and so I can see why you'd say you don't like Peanuts- because you think it's a cool, anti-establishment, position to take. But if Peanuts has become the establishment it's only because Charles Schulz is a fucking genius. Not for any other reason. Forget the executives, the syndicate, the mechandising and tie-ins- Peanuts is the work of one man. So take your dated, contrived, OK Soda-drinking, Nirvana-listening, Fido Dido t-shirt-wearing opinion and stick it up your jap's eye.
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Cycle Mac daddy
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yes everyone listen to harvey, he studied this stuff at uni after all guys _________________
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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They don't teach us this shit at uni, they just told us how to work the cameras and showed us a bunch of French new wave films.
Hey I noticed that above post is kind of arrogant. Please don't anyone take this personally, I just feel very passionately about this stuff. |
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The Great Unwashed .
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Harvey I totally agree with your kind of arrogant post, but saying that "once you fully appreciate Peanuts, Calvin and Hobbes really looks like the work of a minor artist" is something I'd take issue with. Having some sort of "full appreciation" of Peanuts is a pretty abstract judgement to make and it doesn't exactly confer some mystical ability on the appreciator. Calvin and Hobbes stands pretty damn strong on its own merits and just because Peanuts was a clear inspiration for Watterson doesn't take away from what he's achieved. _________________
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The Great Unwashed .
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Why has nobody talked about Garfield randomised! It's so awesome.
Also, from somewhere on the internut:
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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The Great Unwashed wrote: | Harvey I totally agree with your kind of arrogant post, but saying that "once you fully appreciate Peanuts, Calvin and Hobbes really looks like the work of a minor artist" is something I'd take issue with. Having some sort of "full appreciation" of Peanuts is a pretty abstract judgement to make and it doesn't exactly confer some mystical ability on the appreciator. Calvin and Hobbes stands pretty damn strong on its own merits and just because Peanuts was a clear inspiration for Watterson doesn't take away from what he's achieved. |
Yeah I guess that's true! I'm just speaking from my own experiences. When I was a teenager I far preferred Calvin and Hobbes to Peanuts, but the more I grew to appreciate how great Peanuts is the less I was impressed by Bill Watterson's work. But Calvin and Hobbes is great, too. |
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Scratchmonkey .
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I still like the earlier art more, although yeah, that's probably due to my main experiences with the strip being the collection of the first strips*, compared to what appeared in newspapers when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s, i.e. shake city. It's the heads, I like the horizontally elongated heads and the heavier brush strokes.
On the other hand, how many of you blockheads have been to the Charles Schulz museum? That's right, punks.
* - This one.
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Yah TIME magazine is kind of a joke.
I agree that Peanuts is brill. But nay-sayers of Calvin and Hobbes, if you'd like to retain your genitalia and other valuable organs, I suggest you go back and read some. Bill Waterson was...struggling every step of the way with himself as an artist and his readers and his publishers and merchandising and all that stuff, and it shows in the strip in a beautiful, creative way. He simultaneously deals with human depravity, pretentious art philosophies, even pretentious life philosophies all at once, and all through the lens of a mischievous Bart-like little kid, who I'd say most boys at the very least could identify with.
Also, on garfield (the few times I will link this site in my life): garfield sucks.
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UH. Are you serious? Pop? I can agree they're not "super experimental rofls" but they're certainly not pop. If anything they uncannily sound like krautrock ("be sure to loop," i'm looking in your direction) or just ambient sometimes. And sometimes, they do sound like noise pop. I wouldn't say straight "pop" by any means. _________________ ich bin aber eine mensch maschine |
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kirkjerk .
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Harveyjames wrote: | Quote: | Achewood defies categorization or description |
Categorisation: comic strip. Description: A bunch of anthropomorphic animals talk about cooking and getting high. Sometimes things happen.
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That's an indescribably great point!
Though if the reviewer had written "easy categorization or brief description", it might've been more forgivable.
But then again, the question becomes is "comic strip" an appropriately detailed categorization? But that leads us into all kinds of pseudo-epistemological blather and you become one of those sad people who (incorrectly, IMO) rail against other people saying "very unique". (That's one of my favorite meta-gripes.) _________________ =/ \(<D)_/
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