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dhex
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 Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:17 am Post subject: are you experienced ? (in violent unhingement?) |
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warning: reading this will actually make you stupider. since i am a shill/brainwashed zombie for the capitalist elite/illuminati/lizard bankers/masons/ziff davis, perhaps this is my goal/false consciousness.
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6177119.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=zdnn
| Quote: | Survey: Violent video games 'exhilarating escapism'
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Players of violent video games believe they are just "exhilarating" escapism that does not desensitize them to real-life mayhem, according to a new survey of one of the entertainment industry's fastest-growing sectors.
However, gamers do concede that people "who are already unhinged in some way" may be pushed over the edge if they play violent games obsessively.
Responding to public and political concern about video games, the British Board of Film Classification, or BBFC, commissioned the survey, interviewing gamers, parents and
industry figures about their effect.
The BBFC, which classifies up to 300 games a year, concluded that for gamers "the violence helps make the play exhilaratingly out of reach of ordinary life."
But it added that "gamers seem not to lose awareness that they are playing a game and do not mistake the game for real life."
Video games tend to polarize opinions like no other entertainment media with some games demonized for their graphic portrayals of violence.
But one survey participant insisted they were not all living in a fantasy world that tempted them to turn violent: "I no more feel that I have actually scored a goal than I do that I have actually killed someone. I know it's not real."
Another gamer said, "Sometimes when I get really angry, I go upstairs and play some games and it calms me down."
But some young gamers under the age of 15 said they found some of the violence upsetting. Uncomfortable about the level of gore portrayed in the graphics, they admitted to having nightmares.
That prompted BBFC Director David Cooke to urge parents to be vigilant. He said it was vital to ensure children were protected from games with adult content.
The survey canvassed reaction to a wide range of popular games, from Manhunt and Grand Theft Auto to World of Warcraft.
One Manhunt fan admitted, "I was quite addicted to it."
"You really were sticking an axe in someone and taking a couple of chops to their neck until their head fell off."
As for the attractions of Grand Theft Auto games, the survey concluded; "The sex makes a contribution to the exhilarating sense of trashing the tedious constraints of everyday life."
But with fast developing technology, today's "cool" game soon becomes outdated.
"It is like when you have a puppy everyone wanted to know you. When it grows a year older, they don't want to know," one gamer concluded. |
A SERIOUS QUESTION:
do romantic movies cause romance? do sad poems cause despair? does nihlistic literature cause nihilism? does anime cause baby rape?
[answer key: no, no, no, yes, also cancer.]
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dmauro
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| There was a post on GSW recently about how UI designers have to ignore what their users are saying and get at the root of the issue which is sort of relevant to this study. |
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Shapermc
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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That was terribly written! Someone should be held accountable for that crap.
Also, their "wide range" of games includes one game, the same game in a sandbox, then a level grinding fest with the word war in the title.
ARGHHH
Romance movies make me hot. Sad pomes make me cut myself. Action movies make me leap over tall buildings in a single bound.
Also, completly relevent.
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Also pertinent. And tasteless.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Obviously Starcraft is the source of the problem. |
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SuperWes
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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So seriously, do you believe playing games would have more of an effect on someone going out and killin' folks, or NOT playing them would? Seriously. If you're pissed off at the world and don't have games to turn to for a release do you think you'd be more likely to actually leave the house and take that rage out on others than you otherwise would?
I just saw this story about how the host of Gamelife (the videogame show by mentally challenged people for mentally challenged people) threatened some girl who he went on three dates with that if she didn't go out with him again he would shoot up the school. Now obviously the fact that he's literally not right in the head has something to do with it, but would he be more or less likely to actually act on his anger if he did or didn't have a release?
-Wes
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The invasion is just beginning!
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| Quote: | | So seriously, do you believe playing games would have more of an effect on someone going out and killin' folks, or NOT playing them would? |
the question is so complicated that attempts to suss it out using simple additive methods is super hella lame. it may or may not be irrelevant, but is it actually measurable? it's not. i don't even know if its even remotely quantifiable. nearly anything can set anyone off if they're a selfish mental reject from the planet nobodyunderstandsme.
as far as it goes, with some exceptions, outside of the category of "male" you're not going to find much of a hard and fast rule with spree killing/suicide by cop type crimes.
much less the $64,000 question - how do you prevent things like these from happening?
(much less the greater question of whether these are more noteworthy than other violent events happening on a smaller scale, etc etc and so forth)
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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an amusing, if odd, example...
now was this guy:
a) crazy
b) stupid
c) suicidal
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venn diagrams are accepted.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Holy one-sentence paragraphs. Daaaaaaaamn.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| SuperWes wrote: | | I just saw this story about how the host of Gamelife |
Oh wow! This show is still on? I take it this guy also subscribes to the 3 dates rule? |
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| Quote: | | I just saw this story about how the host of Gamelife (the videogame show by mentally challenged people for mentally challenged people) |
wait i missed this, is this the show with the "hot girl" and the autistic kids or what?
well "autistic" since we live in the age of "i'm a super special snowflake but no one likes me so i must be really super special and have a super special disorder rather than just being a fuckface no one likes."
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Pijaibros wrote: | | SuperWes wrote: | | I just saw this story about how the host of Gamelife |
Oh wow! This show is still on? I take it this guy also subscribes to the 3 dates rule? |
What's the 3 dates rule?
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i'm familiar with the joke about dykes moving in with each other really quickly but i don't think that applies here.
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| player 2 wrote: | | Pijaibros wrote: | | SuperWes wrote: | | I just saw this story about how the host of Gamelife |
Oh wow! This show is still on? I take it this guy also subscribes to the 3 dates rule? |
What's the 3 dates rule? |
After 3 dates, you're officially dating.
And/or after 3 dates, you're supposed to kiss.
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Is this some American thing I'm not getting or are these people just sad?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:44 am Post subject: Re: are you experienced ? (in violent unhingement?) |
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| dhex wrote: | | does nihlistic literature cause nihilism? |
why not? I was certainly inspired to dabble after reading less than zero.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| Dracko wrote: | | Is this some American thing I'm not getting or are these people just sad? |
I blame the media |
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dhex
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | why not? I was certainly inspired to dabble after reading less than zero. |
see, that's what i mean! how does one dabble in nihilism? 
| Quote: | After 3 dates, you're officially dating.
And/or after 3 dates, you're supposed to kiss. |
so when do you give her your pin and call her your "best gal?"
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| SuperWes wrote: | So seriously, do you believe playing games would have more of an effect on someone going out and killin' folks, or NOT playing them would? Seriously. If you're pissed off at the world and don't have games to turn to for a release do you think you'd be more likely to actually leave the house and take that rage out on others than you otherwise would?
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Now obviously the fact that he's literally not right in the head has something to do with it, but would he be more or less likely to actually act on his anger if he did or didn't have a release?
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Why can't it be a multifunction thing?
Couldn't something provide temporarily distraction/relief while simultaneously ingraining a behavioral tendency?
Also, has anybody read Pranks! ?
There was an interview with one of the DEVO guys and he said something about people devolving or never evolving in the first place. So there is no processing level or proper reflection.
They just interpret media as "instructions on how to behave".
Maybe that's always been with us but has been translated into useful or socially acceptable things until lately. (Deacades-wise.)
Oh, and here's a chipmunk with a harmonica:
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| I'm not a violent person and don't play particularly violent video games, but I do have incredibly violent dreams. Also we played at being freestyle rappers in my office one day and all my on-the-spot, stream of consciousness raps were about rape and murder. I wonder if I'm the kind of person to go crazy and shoot up a bunch of people. If I don't get a girlfriend soon, then probably! |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Harveyjames wrote: | | Also we played at being freestyle rappers in my office one day and all my on-the-spot, stream of consciousness raps were about rape and murder. I wonder if I'm the kind of person to go crazy and shoot up a bunch of people. If I don't get a girlfriend soon, then probably! |
hello ladies.
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| dhex wrote: | | see, that's what i mean! how does one dabble in nihilism? |
Yes, actually, I think I'm confusing nihilistic behaviour with actual adoption of its pihlosophy. Humble apologies.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Dabble in nihilism
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Did you see this dhex? That's amazing!
-Wes
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| that squirrell is the best thing I've seen come from the internet in months. |
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dhex
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: |
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i've seen chipmunky-er. (i lurk at several squirrel rescue boards and leech phat cuteness)
honestly, squirrel people are either cool retirees or very scary women who never had the babies they wanted to.
LIKE THIS LADY:
www.sugarbushsquirrel.com
| Quote: | | There was an interview with one of the DEVO guys and he said something about people devolving or never evolving in the first place. So there is no processing level or proper reflection. They just interpret media as "instructions on how to behave". |
i don't really buy this anymore, since it's at odds with everything i know and see. either on a local or national level, much less a globalization level (or more accurately, critique of globalization) it fails to account for cultural hybridity, bottom-up processes and shit, it can't even explain techno.
"i'm ok, you're fucked up."
| Quote: | | Yes, actually, I think I'm confusing nihilistic behaviour with actual adoption of its pihlosophy. |
yeah, i think genuine nihilists are fairly rare, if they're actually possible at all. absent any actual values, why choose nihilism over other meaningless stances?
and from andy "our man on the street" toups:
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I saw the sugar bush link then instantly read DEVO...
I now want her to do a DEVO squirrel
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this is much better than devo:
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SuperWes
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So thinking about this whole shooting thing got me to realize what the real cause of the problem might be. It obviously can't be boiled down to a single thing, but the thing that these shooters seem to have in common is that they all blame society for making them what they are. Whether that part of society happens to be videogames, movies, jocks at their school, cheerleaders, or school bullies, all of their excuses seem to lie with how they are unable to deal with some element of society, and that their inability to handle life is society's fault rather than their own.
Now, I'm not pompous enough to think that I've come up with a real psychological breakthough or anything, but I wanted to draw a parallel between these people and their problems and the way the media portrays these individuals. Just hours after the shooting spree, Jack Thompson, Dr. Phil, NBC News, and other outlets immediately began looking for something else to blame for this shooter's actions. The thing that both the media and the shooter have in common is that their first instinct is to blame someone/something else for an individual's actions. We live in a society where we're told not to take responsibility for our shortcomings. Instead we're told that any of our inadequacies are the result of the place we grow up, the people we know, the hobbies we have, and/or our genes. Listen to the shooter's manifesto with this in mind. The whole thing is just a big list of the people he blames for his actions.
So with this in mind, what do we do? I say lets blame the media!
-Wes
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| SuperWes wrote: | | So with this in mind, what do we do? I say lets blame the media! |
Yeah right, if anything these news organizations know to not bite the hand that feeds them.
Has their been any copycats, yet? If there's one thing the media does demonstrate is that you'll be famous for awhile and that these sorts of events are totally doable. Especially when you know the area is "gun-free".
Remember when that postal rage thing was happening almost weekly back in the 90s? That occurred so often that it became a punchline on late night TV with a month of the first one. |
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Relational Databases FTW!
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