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aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

There's a G1 Optimus right there! The furry association was completely arbitrary, though. I think. If anything specific was going through my mind, I don't remember now!

This is still going on, by the way. He's getting better.
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Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

Few things:

First) Has there ever been a video montage of The Master to the song Master of Puppets by Metalica? Because there needs to be if not.

2nd) I didn't end up getting any Dr. Who for the holidays, so I went all out and got myself New Beginnings, Mark of the Rani, and all the McCoy that have currently been released. I'm a bit disapointed because I remembered there being more than 4 of the mcCoy serials, but oh well. It's awesome that two of them have commentary by cartmel and one has a whole documentary about what would have happen in season 27.

ThirD) As promised, Dr. Who VS Snow Dalek. The female in the photos is my wife.

What started with one giant snowball

turned into an over 6.5' doctor

and a 5.5' Dalek with a weapon

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aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

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aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

His Assassin/Traken incarnation (top-center) would certainly fit!

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Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

Whoa, that guy bottom-center has got the smallest face I've ever seen. Is that special effects?

aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

That's Brother Cadfael.

It seems people's faces get smaller as they age. Or maybe the rest of their heads just get bigger. I notice this same effect, watching Jeremy Brett go from scrawny to looking like he's about to die, in the final season before he died.
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Westacular · Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject:

aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

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aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

Interview with the guy who plays Gwen's boyfriend. Seems he's much more involved this time. Sounds like a familiar pattern.

Oh, and Black Orchid and The Invasion of Time have been circuitously announced for DVD release. BO is very short, and one of my more favorite Davison stories. I'm guessing it's a budget release. Invasion of Time is Leela's final story (she's dropped like an old potato), the final unreleased Sontaran story (speaking of potatoes) (expect a Complete Sontaran box next Christmas (in the UK)), and one of the few unreleased Gallifrey-related stories. It's... okay. Not objectionable, not really interesting.

So so far that's:

* Beneath the Surface (Silurians, Sea Devils, Warriors of the Deep)
* Time Meddler
* The Five Doctors (original 90-minute version plus previously-released SE)
* Invasion of Time
* Black Orchid
* K-9 and Company (basically confirmed)
* Trial of a Time Lord (all but confirmed)

And therefore, three or four remaining slots. One of 'em is a Troughton (Either The Dominators or The Krotons). There's gotta be one or two McCoys. Revenge of the Cybermen seems likely. That leaves maybe another unknown for 2008. Probably some more Tom Baker?
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Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

So, I spent most of today watching New Beginnings boxset. I actually enjoyed the Tom Baker stuff more than I should have. It was honestly pretty good stuff. The thing is as soon as Davison took over I became bored. I mean, this is like my fourth Davison serial and they're all just extrordinarily boring. I honestly have no desire to watch any others.

Luckily I have a lot of McCoy to look forward to.

aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

Supposedly doing that in 2009, partially because it's the fortieth anniversary, partially for obscure logistical reasons to which I am not clued. Supposedly they tracked down a really excellent print of it, recently.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with the New Beginnings stuff. Of the three, I think I actually enjoyed Traken the best -- which surprised me, as at a distance it looked rather mundane. Yet another human alien monarchy thingamajig, with a fantasy all-powerful source for good measure. Ho hum. Yet it was executed well, such that it comes off sort of like a fairy tale. And there's this pervasive sense of dread. You know something's coming.

And then it does, and it's called Logopolis.

And Castrovalva is what happens next. And it's... well, it has a lot of good individual moments. And the idea behind it is neat enough. It's got no momentum, though. It just seems to hang around for two hours, like a smoke ring.

The best Davison serials are generally the balls-out stupid ones, as Davison's straight man act works wonders when everything else is bonkers around him. Castrovalva is so dry that the only actor who could effectively carry it would be a large ham.
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aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

Regarding Traken: YouTube.
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aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

"The Welsh wedding episode is phenomenal," Davies goes on to say, "And is a comedy. You're going to hate it; ming mongs [aka fans] hate comedy episodes. You'll be down in the basement typing away 'unfortunate levels of comedy".

Ming mongs?
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Westacular · Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject:

Ming mong?

aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

Yeah, as usual that only slightly clarified things.

I guess, "ding-dong" or "ding-a-ling"?
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aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

I was never that thrilled with this episode. It's just so... there, especially for a Davies script. There it is! Pieces that fit together and tell a Doctor Who story! With sloppy-feeling characterization on top.

This makes me think a little more about it.
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Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

I love the contempt he has for hardcore fans of his own show. Quite right too, it's his show!

tygerbug · . Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 10

Okay, I'm horribly petty. I'm officially a horrible person for replying to this, but I have to.

Waaaaaaaaaay back at the start of this thread, like October 28ish, there was a discussion of my Doctor Who animated art. I call them WhoSprites. They're designed to be used for animating lost Doctor Who episodes starring Troughton and Hartnell.

Anyway, HarveyJames didn't like them. And I am being horribly petty by feeling like I need to respond, but then I am horribly petty. So I'm responding.

http://ffrevolution.com/InvisionBoard/index.php?showtopic=1565&view=getnewpost

ASHURA: This is the MB of the guy who did the fan edit on the Thief and the Cobbler as well as (I'm pretty sure) that McGann -> Regeneration video you linked to long ago. He started posting these, and they're pretty... interesting:

HARVEYJAMES: I like Giles Goddard but he's a horrible cartoonist.

ASHURA: I like the Second Second Doctor one and the two Hartnells near the end, personally. I think his coloring is pretty naff though, yes.

HARVEYJAMES: It's the amatuerish way he uses thick and thin lines and filled-in blacks in his drawings. Plus the way he draws eyes and mouths. Also, the forms all have a gloopiness about them. Not only that, but he has a fairground caricaturist's eye for caricature. So he's pretty naff no matter which way you cut it. I don't know why I've picked this moment to suddenly get all Simon Cowell on his ass, he's a nice guy.

ASHURA: Well, I don't think they're extremely GREAT, but, ouch. I did like that his first thought wasn't to go anime, though.

HARVEYJAMES: Yeah, like I say, I don't know why I'm being so harsh. There's just something a bit end of the pier, Les-Dennis-y about it. Every cartoonist has a character that comes through in their line and shapes, and somehow his character bugs me.

ADERACK: It reminds me of Sonic the Hedgehog porn I've seen. Or Scooby Doo. There are a couple good ones, though.

Anyway, this is my response.

Sorry you don't like my work. I think I've improved the quality a bit since October, but the fact that you singled out Victoria, which was and is the first drawing I did for this range which I was really proud of, shows you might not think the same. I suppose it's all a matter of taste.

I've gotten only positive comments so far, but I suppose I can't please everyone. I am trying to improve all the time and my goal is not to caricature people in a fairground cartoonist's way but rather capture them realistically, how they actually look.

Using both thin and thick lines and filled in blacks is a traditional way of drawing comic books or comic strips if drawing with a brush. I draw with a pen, but I try to use this style, which was ingrained into my head by my father, who was and is a well known comic strip artist. I have no idea why someone would have a problem with thin and thick lines and filled in blacks, unless animation, and particularly anime, has been drilled into one's head.

A couple minor corrections.

My name is Garrett Gilchrist, not Giles Goddard.

I did do the Thief and the Cobbler Recobbled Cut. In fact, I'm doing another version this week! I'm glad you liked it. I first saw the film in high school and thought it was hypnotic and truly original and deserved a restoration. I did one back then actually. Glad I was able to do a restoration that people seem to like.

I didn't do the Time War or Paul McGann regeneration videos. I could give less than a fuck about Paul McGann.

Or Sylvester McCoy for that matter.

I DID do a short Doctor Who video called The Ten Doctors and I think that's what you're thinking of. Actually it's still at Youtube, though not posted by me.

And it's here:
http://ffrevolution.com/videos/10doctors1.divx
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aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

Well, hello there.

A couple of observations about the animated clips you've posted. The drunken swaying is weird. You might want to not do that. See also videogame characters who heavily bob up and down in place.

Also, it is very strange to see all the contortions the mouths undergo just to form a couple of vowel sounds. Unless you've got a specific reason for acrobatics, it's generally best to underplay any facial animation. The viewer's eyes are going to be fixed to the character's faces anyway, so you don't need to do anything to attract attention.

In general, though, yeah. You've been doing a good job finding and refining your style. Keep at it.
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tygerbug · . Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 10

Everyone says that about the swaying. I can't really see what I'm doing when doing the body movements in FCP - it takes ages to render so I just typed in numbers and shrugged. I don't think it's bad myself but EVERYONE has commented against it. So.

Looking at the Evil of the Daleks clip, I think Victoria is overplayed, but Jamie and the Doctor feel right to me. I always wanted more extreme mouth movements myself ..... perhaps a good thing that I don't intend to animate this myself ....
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Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

Dude, thick and thin lines are the basic foodstuff of cartooning as everyone will tell you, I just didn't like the way you used them in those drawings. Guitar solos are great too but you can have a shitty guitar solo.

Basically I think your approach to inking needs a bit more thought. But you're clearly a talented artist, so please don't take too much stock in our internet douchebaggery.

May I recommend the program Adobe After Effects for animation! It's very good and you can easily preview the animation as you're working on it.

By the way, what's your father's name?

Westacular · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:39 am Post subject:

Probably Guy Gilchrist?

Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

Oh yeah, it is, it says so on his website.

Hey Garret, your dad can really ink, ask him to critique your inking one of these days.

aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

A hop from Internet douchebaggery to tone meeting blargle:

tygerbug · . Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 10

Like the world needs another Law & Order. Or another series run by Chris Chibnall!

I don't talk to my father - maybe a couple times a year. I have no problem with the way I'm inking my drawings, otherwise I'd do it differently. He is a good inker though. Did a lot of childrens books back in the day. And The Muppets of course.

I'll have to look into AfterEffects - I never quite got that program to work on my Mac. I was going to see how it worked in Flash and Toon Boom as well. I'm more comfortable with FCP but it has its limitations for this sort of work.
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aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

Westacular · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject:

Scripts which were often, in turn, reused from actual news stories.

I guess Law & Order is franchising out like Sesame Street and reality TV programs?

aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

Yeah, I guess it's like a reverse Sanford and Son or The Office, whereas I expected it would be another leg in the real-actual franchise, just produced in the UK.

* * *

Oh, hey! At the very last minute, the Tom MacRae episode was dropped and ~~RTD wrote a replacement~~ they're using a Phil Ford (from SJA) script instead. I am very interested in this development!

So:

4.01 "Partners in Crime" - RTD / James Strong
4.02 (Pompeii episode) - James Moran / Colin Teague
4.03 "Planet of the Ood" - Keith Temple / Graeme Harper
4.04 "The Sontaran Stratagem" - Helen Raynor / Douglas Mackinnon
4.05 [Sontarans, part 2] - Helen Raynor / Douglas Mackinnon
4.06 "Midnight" - Phil Ford / Alice Troughton
4.07 "The Unicorn and the Wasp" - Gareth Roberts / Graeme Harper
4.08 [TBA] - Stephen Greenhorn / Alice Troughton
4.09 [Moffat story, part 1] Moffat / Lyn
4.10 [Moffat story, part 2] Moffat / Lyn
4.11 [Doctor-lite episode] RTD / Graeme Harper
4.12 [Finale, part 1] RTD / Harper
4.13 [Finale, part 2] RTD / Harper
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aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

And Patrick Troughton's son is in an episode. And Peter Davison's daughter (after her appearance in S4) is supposedly being juggled around for a possible Companion role in S5.

Next up: Sean Pertwee?
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aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

No, see. The UK version is like Sanford and Son. The ORIGINAL Law & Order is the one with Paul's grandfather.
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Ashura · . Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 109

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Re: L&O: London, adapting stories, you know, it's possible they may just take base stories and do something completely original. How close is the US office to the original UK one, anyway? Ours has been running way longer, so they've had to run out of stories to adapt. Not that L&O doesn't have 20 years of stories, but.. I assume they'll go for more recent ones since some of the older stuff is actuallyd ated.

For some reason I expect them to create all new characters instead of English McCoy and Lennie British. It would be good if they could actually get some good detectives, though, the main show is sucking mainly due to the Detectives they've gotten post-Orbach's death.

aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

Oh, have you seen the new ones, as of a week or so ago? The show is kind of interesting again! This Lupo guy brings out the mischief-maker in Green, and the two of them keep covering for each other.

Then the Order side has a completely different dynamic. McCoy is actually involved as a DA, unlike his predecessors, with his ADAs as his working team. And the new dude, whose name I forget, is also a bit of a wild card. He has the same vocal and physical mannerisms as David Duchovny. And the same propensity toward clever not-quite-kosher tricks as the two detectives, which drives McCoy just as nuts as Van Buren. The dynamic between him and Rubirosa is very Mulder-Scully. She's the sensible one out of the four leads, and is stuck with making sure all of the other characters' nonsense fits together.

It's also shot and staged more like the early seasons -- more contrast between light and dark, shaky camera, more naturalistic performance. And the writing feels rather fresh, allowing for the very different character dynamics. And new sets.
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Ashura · . Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 109

My buddy has been telling me it's a bit better. Though he said compared to SVU the most recent episode wasn't as epic. One thing I think they need to pick up from SVU is the two sets of cops.

I need to sit down and watch them, though up until this season what I said stands pretty much. Last season was... atrocious.

Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

I'm just LOLing at the fact that I called that guy Giles Goddard and didn't realise it until now. Who's Giles Goddard?

Westacular · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject:

I caught a bit of the new L&O last week, and it definitely had a lot of much-needed freshness to it.

ALSO: I've never watched The Office regularly, but I've heard that the US version only really hit its stride when they ran out of stories from the UK version and started doing their own thing?

aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

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Oh, and apparently Steve Roberts is now passively working on the War Games restoration. Though it's not coming out until next year, it's something he's got slowly simmering while he's working on more immediate projects.
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tygerbug · . Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 10

Yay War Games! Which I have but have never seen.

The one I really need to see is Ice Warriors actually. I saw the missing episodes as recons and thought they were crap - I saw the missing episodes only of The Faceless Ones and really liked that, at the same time. Then again, Ice Warriors is mostly whole and Faceless Ones is mostly missing, so I'm not surprised the missing eps only were different in their watchability.

The US version of The Office stopped using the UK scripts after the pilot. While I enjoyed the pilot, the show clearly hit its stride after that. Some might say that it hit its stride after the first six episodes - the first season was only 6 episodes long and was done as an experiment really. The second season they come back with more confidence and establish the show as the classic it is.

It's not like the first few episodes were bad, though.

On The Thief and the Cobbler:
>> I read your complete OT thread, it was really fascinating all the stuff that happened on that project.

Stuff is still happening! I'm as fascinated as anyone - it's weird that this project is still active after all this time. I did my first Recobbling in January 2006 and stuff is still happening - there's a blog right now where the animators are posting memories of working on the film. Interesting stuff, as Maurice LaMarche would say.

You can read the current thread at http://ffrevolution.com/InvisionBoard.

Stay tuned, as I've just spent $1000 transferring some rare Thief and Richard Williams material. Once I get it in my hands, I'll be posting some interesting Thief deleted scenes, a new Recobbled version of the movie, and a transfer of Raggedy Ann & Andy and The Little Island, two of Richard Williams' earlier films.

>> One thing I want to note, Garrett, is we tried to be constructive up there. If you notice, we didn't completely trash on your work, we just said it could /use some work./

I'm aware of that. (Though the main thing that was said was that I was a "horrible cartoonist.") I said I was being petty in responding to that, and it is petty. I don't really mind. I suppose I don't take criticism well ..... but it does help, eventually, as I grow.

I am trying to get better at doing this, all the time. I get a lot of comments that my work is "superb," from fans, so a bit of criticism shouldn't hurt me. I am very self-critical though, I don't think I need too much criticism! I supply enough of that myself.

Neither editing nor cartooning is my main goal in life. I'm a filmmaker. I'm currently working on a feature film about the comic book character the She-Hulk, which is about 90% shot, but which I haven't worked on in a while due to the Doctor Who stuff. Which I'm hoping catches on. I need to build an army of people who will animate these heads for me, as I don't have time to do the lip sync AND do the huge amount of drawing and Photoshoppery that needs to be done on all the art.

>> I also complimented your editing work here (or in the Wonderful Animation thread, I can't recall), since you've done some really crazy stuff like editing the eyebrows back onto Darth Vader.

I read that. Thanks. Yeah, that was fun - the eyebrows did need to be edited back on him though! I wouldn't call it crazy. The stuff I did on Star Wars and The Thief seems a little crazy but it's all necessary to restore the films to what they were, or in The Thief's case, restore them to a vague semblance of what was intended. I did some frame by frame Photoshoppery on The Thief, to use some of the poorly animated footage from the released version of the film, but have the characters not speak, or speak the lines from the Williams version. Crazy stuff, but not so crazy since it's needed. Ditto eyebrows.

There are people out there who can do this better than I, but it happened to be that I was the one who wound up doing it.

>> I also tend to check up on what you're doing every few months because you're a tenacious guy even if things go horribly wrong for you and you're homeless.

Well, thanks for checking back. I have never actually become homeless, but this being Los Angeles I've lived a lot of places I'm not happy with, and have gotten kicked out of. I'm living in a horrible place right now that I could go on for pages about how it's physically killing me to live there, but life goes on. I keep working. I haven't spoken about my She-Hulk film at the message board because I'm afraid of Marvel's lawyers. I guess I'm not as scared about Doctor Who.

>>We have a bit of a different tone when it comes to discussions here.

I have a different tone myself. I've gotten kicked off of message boards for it. I'm glad I run my own.

But that doesn't mean you don't mean what you say. If you say something bad about someone, you mean it. Ditto something nice. I spotted both good and bad said about me on this board.

Well, thanks for watching guys. I'm always surprised on the internet when little things I originally did for fun have taken on a life of their own. Like this Star Wars thing I did called Deleted Magic - became quite popular a while back and inspired me to do lots more things like The Thief.

>> As for the body animation, you really shouldn't move the body like this unless you intend to really animate it.

Shrug. Maybe. But human beings do move slightly. I'll have to experiment with it. There was a major negative reaction to the movement, so I'll see.

>> Also, another problem is likely that you're dropping these things out at around 30fps

25fps actually - I figured it would be more popular in PAL, since no one knows Who here.

>> and regular animation is never really near that at all.

The Thief and the Cobbler is 24fps for most of its running time. =)

I agree that animation is usually about 12fps. And I had planned to do the Doctor Who stuff in 12fps actually .... or 10fps as I did my Dance With Grandpa pilot (which was full animation, but done at 10fps) .....

However, I was editing in Final Cut Pro, and there are no options to animate at a lower frame rate. I also realized that to get the level of control over the lip sync that I wanted, I really had to animate at the full 25fps .... I didn't mind the movement at all, I liked the smooth 25fps movement, but it seems nobody else liked it, and I will have to experiment with that. The mouths were animated something like 3 frames per mouth, so it's more like 8fps for them .... though not always. I could take the frame rate down for the web but it wouldn't be totally accurate to what I actually did, which was VERY frame-precise.

I'll see what I can do. Then again, I'm hoping not to have to do the animation myself!

Pans always have to be done on ones regardless of what the animation is. Then you have to animate on ones.
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Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

I've noticed Miyazaki sometimes animates pans on twos and then unsyncs the pan action and the foreground action by one frame, so there's movement in all 24 frames of a second even if you're only seeing 12 drawings a second. But what we call 'full animation' (e.g. all Disney features) is 24 frames per second, yes. Sometimes in these pictures 12 frames per second is used for budgetary or time constraints, or sometimes for stylistic purposes.

Hey Garrett, I'm actually the one who got you in touch with the guy who was Richard Williams' producer in the 60's, the one who had all the stories about telling the Al-Shah family the studio had been hit by the plague and dysentry. I loved the work you did on The Thief. I think I emailed you to say before, I think you've made a very important contribution to the animation community with this project and I really can't thank you enough for allowing the world to finally see this film. I'm sorry I called you Giles Goddard.

P.S. Eric-Jon I was thinking of Giles Goddard who was a programmer on SNES Star Fox, then went on to be the only ever English member of Nintendo EAD.

aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

You sure that's not the same guy?
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Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

What, he went to Japan to program Mario 64, 1080 Snowboarding and Doshin the Giant and then moved back to England to become a gay vicar? Well I guess after Mario 64 and 1080 your career can only at best go sideways.

aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

I think it would explain a lot of things.
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Ashura · . Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 109

I didn't mean crazy as-in you were crazy to do it, I meant more in, it's crazy that you managed to sync the video up and make the eyebrows match and such. There's a lot of stuff you did like this that amazes me that you were able to sync, like the 4:3 scenes of Thief which you overlayed over the 16x9 ones so that at least the center was a better resolution.

I've read your ffrevolution board though, yes.

And of course, the thief was animated that way. You know what I meant though. Mixing limited animation with, well, essentially digital pans.

That's interesting about Miyazaki and the pans. The worst for those digital pans were early digital anime and DIC's french studios in the late '90s. They had these 30fps, uniform speed pans mixed with 12fps or less animation. It's worst in the first episode of Sonic Underground, if you can force yourself to watch it.

I've read about 'the big green movie.' I wish you the best on that; If you can pull off the chroma keying it'll be interesting to see just that. Though it'll be easy to make it into a disaster if you're not careful. You have to really believe the woman's green, not just colored green. And it could ruin the movie no matter how good the writing is. A lot of old Who falls into this, seriously.

Your interpretation of the thread is different than mine, but rightly so I guess. (Though, I must note I missed the horrible cartoonist part.) So, yeah, leave it at that.