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Nana Komatsu weak sauce
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: |
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I saw these (a little too late on my way out) at my local comic shop. They're $5.99 each. Is that a good price? _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
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Nana Komatsu weak sauce
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the drunken samurai .
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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these are great! coincidentally i just finished watching SAC for the third time yesterday. |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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i am watching it now since nana sent me the dvds. she enclosed a tiny blue tachikoma. it is currently guarding my keyboard against villians and ne'er-do-wells. _________________
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the drunken samurai .
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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isnt it the greatest show ever? |
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Dracko .
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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It's one of the better and interesting, genuinely worthwhile, animes being shown at the moment.
The game is actually pretty damn good as well. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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GSL .
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 725 Location: Mr. Lee's Greater Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:53 am Post subject: |
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I'm a fairly big fan of both (or all three, now?) manga series as well as the two movies; I've also got the first SAC DVD which I have yet to watch the whole way through. How's the series, as a whole? My impression of the three episodes I've watched so far has been fairly positive--it feels a lot like the manga in its blend of science, humor and the philosophical, rather than drifting into the all-out, cyber-existentialism of the movies (not that I dislike thw movies, mind you). Does the series keep up the same general pace through to the end? And isn't the second series completed on R1 DVD as well? Is it any good? |
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Nana Komatsu weak sauce
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:15 am Post subject: |
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The first season is excellent. I think it's some of the best science fiction i have seen in a long time. It definitely keeps up the pace, I think this is helped by the idea of the "stand alone episodes" which are self-contained and interspersed between the major plot episodes.
The second season (which yes is all out in R1 DVD) is pretty good, but it focuses a lot more on action sequences to advance the plot (whereas the first had a lot more character drama) and so I didn't like it as much. I still liked it a lot.
I will say that while the first season explores the ideas of technology's influence on society, the second focuses on a more real-life type situation that wouldn't have to take place in 2034.
There is a third season or movie, something, called Solid State Society that is coming out this summer in R1 which I am highly anticipating!
Personally I didn't like either of the movies really. I thought they tried to cram far too much story into the first movie, and the second was a misdirected (albeit very pretty) mess. I haven't read the manga but I figure I'll get around to it eventually.
Still, the TV series fixes everything I didn't like about the movie and I highly recommend it.
And it has Tachikoma! _________________ resetbutton.net: videogames for unattractive people |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: |
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i am about halfway through season 1. chat! chat! chat! is great, as is most of the laughing man stuff. and tachikoma runs away.
the protagonist is a poly dyke but her homelife is treated the same as every other character's. i am glad. _________________
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Dracko .
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:18 am Post subject: |
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The first movie was pretty good, and beautiful to watch, with a fairly solid posthuman philosophical grasp. Unfortunately, the second one jumped the shark in that respect. The films were less obscure than the mangas in any case, but I far prefer the animated series on the whole.
I have no idea what you mean by poly dyke, dess, but she's certainly less blatant about her sexuality than she ever was in the mangas, which is more to the series' credit, I find. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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Nana Komatsu weak sauce
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Dracko .
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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I just don't get that definition. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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dark steve .
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Polyamorous, maybe? _________________
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Dracko .
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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That's what I initially thought, but I figured that was too simple. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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the drunken samurai .
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Dracko wrote: | she's certainly less blatant about her sexuality than she ever was in the mangas, which is more to the series' credit, I find. |
i remember reading somewhere that the only reason motoko is gay is because shirow masamune didnt want to draw a guys butt in one of the sex scenes. |
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The Soviet Onion .
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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the drunken samurai wrote: | i remember reading somewhere that the only reason motoko is gay is because shirow masamune didnt want to draw a guys butt in one of the sex scenes. |
Truly this is a great step forward in the media's depiction of homosexuals. |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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masamune is a grody shit and the movie is gross.
the series isn't gross though. the serial killer episode was hard for me to watch however. _________________
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Bulkor .
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Nana Komatsu wrote: | the first season explores the ideas of technology's influence on society |
Yeah. The TV show does a great job of exploring Masamune's ideas, with pacing and class that he's incapable of.
Also, fighting crime in a future time. |
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the drunken samurai .
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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dessgeega wrote: | masamune is a grody shit and the movie is gross. |
whats gross about it? i just watched the movie today and i didnt find anything gross about it(aside from the voice acting).
was it all the unnecessary nudity?
also,go see GITS2:innocence |
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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I saw Ghost In The Shell. Some dude's heads blow off. Then some people do some dumb talking. Then some chick goes invisible. If you've read Isaac Azimov's wikipedia article then you've explored the themes of this movie in as much depth as the film does. Perhaps more. Except there's more emotional involvement because Isaac Asimov dies at the end.
I liked the sequence which was just a bunch of shots of buildings, though.
GITS:Innocence is one of those 2D movies which has 3D backgrounds. If I wanted to watch two movies at once I'd buy two TVs. |
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Dracko .
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Also, Innocence is horrible. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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the drunken samurai .
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Harveyjames wrote: | If you've read Isaac Azimov's wikipedia article then you've explored the themes of this movie in as much depth as the film does. Perhaps more. Except there's more emotional involvement because Isaac Asimov dies at the end. |
what in the hell are you talking about.
Dracko wrote: | Also, Innocence is horrible. |
booooooooo |
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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the drunken samurai wrote: |
what in the hell are you talking about.
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Allow me to elucidate.
Harveyjames wrote: | If you've read Isaac Azimov's wikipedia article then you've explored the themes of this movie in as much depth as the film does. Perhaps more. |
Ghost in the Shell gives themes explored years before by sci-fi writers like Isaac Asimov and Phillip K. Dick a very tepid and shallow going-over. Here, I'm saying that for all the dull talking there is in this movie about the nature of human augmentation, cybernetic body replacement etc. it doesn't really raise any interesting points or explore them in any depth- no more so than Azimov's wikipedia article does.
But this is a movie, right? You can't expect a movie to do all these things! But Ghost in the Shell doesn't even provide a resonating emotional context for these issues, which is the one thing films like this can often do quite well.
Harveyjames wrote: | Except there's more emotional involvement because Isaac Asimov dies at the end. |
Here I am cheekily implying that the Wikipedia article for Isaac Asimov is more moving than the whole of Ghost in The Shell! After all, in the biography section, we learn that the 'protagonist' Isaac Asimov dies of AIDS! That's a bit like something that might happen in a movie!! And since Ghost in the Shell is so bereft of identifiable characters and human interest, you may well say it's less moving than that Wikipedia article!!!
Does that help? If I didn't go into that much depth before, it's because Ghost in the Shell doesn't warrant any more than an offhand remark. If there's anything else you need me to explain to you, let me know. |
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the drunken samurai .
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Harveyjames wrote: | Does that help? |
very much so yes,your original post read as if it said asimov literally wrote an article on wikipedia about GITS which led me to assume you were on drugs |
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Lestrade Bug Fister
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Dracko wrote: | Also, Innocence is horrible. |
Fuck no, on a purely visual level it is stunning. On a mind-numbing plot level—well, I rather enjoyed it there, too. It is unrealized, mostly, but I find it to be a great background movie (i.e. I put it on and then start doodling). |
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the drunken samurai .
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Lestrade wrote: | Dracko wrote: | Also, Innocence is horrible. |
Fuck no, on a purely visual level it is stunning. |
yeah definetly,the scene where batou's eyes are hacked in the conveinience store comes to mind. |
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Dracko .
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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I won't deny that. It's nice to look at (and has a lot of dogs), but the plot is pretty damn weak. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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B coma .
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 1:07 am Post subject: |
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I was looking through my stuff couple of months ago and discovered that I owned Innocence, which really shocked me for a moment, because I had completely forgot that I purchased it. and it's not like I have a large DVD collection. I actually only own around 7 or 8 movies...
I liked seasons one and two of the series pretty well, but like most anime made for TV I feel like they would have benefited a lot from being more compact. The episodes that focus heavily on character development of Section 9 people were usually among my favorites.
As for the movies, I liked the first quite a lot when I was young (and still do!) but the sequel didn't do much for me either. Beyond a few neat moments and Batou's relationship with his Beagle. |
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