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professor_scissors .
Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 19
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:07 am Post subject: SUPER GAME BAKEDOWN 2007 |
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SUPER GAME BAKEDOWN
A Month in Which Like-Minded Individuals Endeavour To Create Interactive Electronic Simulacra as that may Reciprocate and Entertain, Colloquially Known As Videogames
January 2007
It's coming
The Super Game Bakedown is the gamer's answer to NaNoWriMo. The idea is that at the beginning of January, anyone who wants to participate starts making a videogame, with the goal of finishing it by the end of the month. No resources (code, graphics, sound, music) can be created in advance, copied from old projects, or jacked from the internet, but advance planning is okay and recommended.
The idea of this is that if you want to make a videogame "some day" but can never work up the motivation to get started, NOW IS THE TIME. A deadline is a wonderful thing! Also, if you already have game-making experience, it's a good chance to try out wacky ideas and reinvent some wheels that you've grown to rely on.
Game Maker and its ilk are A-OK. So is Inform, ZZT, Megazeux, Multimedia Fusion, RPG Maker 2000, and pretty much any other tool for makin' videogames.
Group Projects are okay, but I don't really recommend them unless your group is REALLY ace.
Using the Bakedown to pick up and finish an old half-finished project is not allowed.
There'll be a website for this soon, but so far there is not.
All right! Who's interested? _________________ SUPER GAME BAKEDOWN 2007 IS COMING.
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Rud13 .
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:49 am Post subject: |
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prof. scis I will you cross post it across the the internet. I have no experience at all in programing and no real ideas, so I'm out. I do find it intensely interesting. |
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Lackey .
Joined: 11 Jul 2005 Posts: 1107 Location: Canada
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player 2 .
Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 585 Location: Madison, WI USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Rud13 wrote: | prof. scis I will you cross post it across the the internet. I have no experience at all in programing and no real ideas, so I'm out. I do find it intensely interesting. |
Don't cross post it yet. I'm going to make the preliminary website tonight, though. _________________ Wii #: 8749 9109 9732 3653
"It is a peaceful way of understanding life, to play"
_Marcel Duchamp |
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Dracko .
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 2613
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, but how do you start? _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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Pijaibros .
Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 342 Location: Mistake by the Lake
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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With a dream |
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Dracko .
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 2613
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Which I have.
I'm asking how to just jump into it all and start making something. I have no experience coding whatsoever. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 6563 Location: bohan
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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if you have no coding experience, start with inform or zzt.
preliminarily signing up for an as-of-yet unplanned zzt project. _________________
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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This is excellent because that's exactly when I was planning to make [url="http://www.gamersquarter.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1321"]Animal Cakeshop[/url], and for how long. Who wants to be on my team? I need writers, programmers, people who can bang out crappy sprite art, and possibly musicians. Read the thread I linked to, and see if you think you're a good fit for this project. |
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professor_scissors .
Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 19
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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If you have no experience at all, I recommend you get Game Maker ASAP and just start fiddling with it at random. Make some stupid crap. Get some ideas! Be sure to think small, though, for a first project. It is VERY easy to bite off more than you can chew. _________________ SUPER GAME BAKEDOWN 2007 IS COMING. |
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Animal Cakeshop is a very simple program, it just requires a lot of planning and thinking through beforehand. I don't really plan on making more than one game, so I don't have a whole lot of interest in messing around doing other stuff. |
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ApM Admin Rockstar
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 1210 Location: Ottawa, ON
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Oh HELL yes. I am BEYOND down.
I find the "GameMaker OK -- old code NOT ALLOWED" provision a little odd, but that's mostly because I'm hacking out a barebones game enginey thing in Gambit Scheme right now. I guess if Ludum Dare has taught me anything, it's that I could probably rewrite it in a day if it turns out good. |
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Nana Komatsu weak sauce
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 1293
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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SuGaBaDo? |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 6563 Location: bohan
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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suga bado!!
that might just have to be the name of my entry! _________________
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, I'm making a porno wadhack of DooM for my entry that replaces all the guns with penises. I haven't given it much thought beyond that but I can tell you episode 1 is going to be called Balls Deep In The Dead. |
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oligophagy .
Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 28
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:59 am Post subject: |
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I imagine the chainsaw will be highly inappropriate! |
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mechanoriINtransit .
Joined: 21 Jan 2006 Posts: 33
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Is anyone familiar with that XNA thing?
The setup is usually the hardest part for me, so if I can just run an app that I can code and compile with, that would be fantastic.
Python is the alternative, I suppose, but its community seemed to lack any sort of cohesive FAQ or tutorial. |
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TOLLMASTER nippon ichi PR man
Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 187
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Nana Komatsu wrote: | SuGaBaDo? |
You see, I imagine your avatar screaming that at the top of her lungs. |
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OtakupunkX .
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 730
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:44 am Post subject: |
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So it looks like I'm doing a text adventure for this one. |
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player 2 .
Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 585 Location: Madison, WI USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:35 am Post subject: |
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does anyone have a copy of the IC development forum's resources page? i was kind of counting on it for part of the SuGaBaDo site, but it's obviously not here.
Toups? _________________ Wii #: 8749 9109 9732 3653
"It is a peaceful way of understanding life, to play"
_Marcel Duchamp |
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Perseus .
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Count me in too! I've wanted to make a text adventure for a while now, but it never materialized. Actually I want to make something like a text version of Snatcher (command menu instead of text input to restrict player input to a small set of verbs, accompanied by a tight, linear narrative)... I wonder if Inform's my best bet to make such a game. |
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OtakupunkX .
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Perseus wrote: | I wonder if Inform's my best bet to make such a game. |
That's what I'm going to be using.
I found a really interesting gamemaking resource page last night when I should've been doing an English essay. I bookmarked it at home so I don't have the link right now but I'll post it up later. |
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oligophagy .
Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 28
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Perseus wrote: | (command menu instead of text input to restrict player input to a small set of verbs, accompanied by a tight, linear narrative)... I wonder if Inform's my best bet to make such a game. |
I'd say no? In a sense, Inform is an empty text adventure, and you just mod it. It recognizes tons of verbs already, with default responses for all of them, and has the framework for inventories, rooms connected by doors, composite objects like desks that can have drawers that can contain things, etc. Much of this is unnecessary if you're menu-based, but you'll still have to spend time learning it.
Inform is a programming language even if, with Inform 7, it looks like English. Hence, I'd recommend picking up a relatively high level procedural language (Python, maybe, or some modern Basic?). You can be doing crazy complex menu stuff in a week or two. Most the infrastructure of Inform is for dealing with natural language input. A text adventure sans parser is pretty simple programmatically; a finite state machine, basically. |
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Nana Komatsu weak sauce
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 1293
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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oligophagy wrote: | Perseus wrote: | (command menu instead of text input to restrict player input to a small set of verbs, accompanied by a tight, linear narrative)... I wonder if Inform's my best bet to make such a game. |
I'd say no? In a sense, Inform is an empty text adventure, and you just mod it. It recognizes tons of verbs already, with default responses for all of them, and has the framework for inventories, rooms connected by doors, composite objects like desks that can have drawers that can contain things, etc. Much of this is unnecessary if you're menu-based, but you'll still have to spend time learning it.
Inform is a programming language even if, with Inform 7, it looks like English. Hence, I'd recommend picking up a relatively high level procedural language (Python, maybe, or some modern Basic?). You can be doing crazy complex menu stuff in a week or two. Most the infrastructure of Inform is for dealing with natural language input. A text adventure sans parser is pretty simple programmatically; a finite state machine, basically. |
I think it would be a lot easier to pick up Inform for something like this, than it would be to learn Python. There are still a lot of vague programming concepts you have to learn to write a high level prcedural langauge, and Inform hides most of that/ |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 6563 Location: bohan
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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inform 7 is great, and totally recommended to beginners. i wrote this game for an interactive fiction competition on those selfsame development forums, in less than a week and it was my first inform 7 project.
i have some experience with inform 6, actually. inform 7 is basically inform 6 (which is very code-y) reorganized to look more like natural english. with a little tinkering you can do pretty much anything.
you should start reading the manual in preparation! _________________
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oligophagy .
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Well, okay. I only ever read the first chapter of the Inform 7 manual once, but it seemed kind of complicated to me then! (Totally biased toward past experiences in this thread). |
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professor_scissors .
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Quick input - for the forum, we need a short, snappy tagline for the Bakedown. Probably no longer than 10 words, and looks good as a subtitle under the name of the forum. Any thoughts? _________________ SUPER GAME BAKEDOWN 2007 IS COMING. |
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Nana Komatsu weak sauce
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:35 am Post subject: |
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"a one month game is better than a great idea shelved forever" |
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Just something like 'January is national game development month. Let's make a game in 31 days!' will do. |
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Nana Komatsu weak sauce
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:38 am Post subject: |
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Create a game in 31 days, you don't really need to sleep |
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Create a game in 31 days is the dream! PURSUE IT WITH A FIERY GUSTO! |
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Nana Komatsu weak sauce
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Game make month skill happy fun development party |
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:44 am Post subject: |
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Game make month skill happy fun development party. CAN YOU SEE I AM SERIOUS?? |
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Nana Komatsu weak sauce
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:47 am Post subject: |
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You aren't a real HARDCORE GAMER until you've made a game in 31 days. Fag. |
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oligophagy .
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: |
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"a Month for the Creation of Electronic Simulacra as that may Reciprocate and Entertain"
My modification of the alternate Super Game Bakedown title, proposed by a forum member whose name I can't remember because I am horrible person (sorry whoever!). |
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!= .
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Also!
People participating, consider taking snapshots of the development as it proceeds, so we can have fun seeing how everything came together. |
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professor_scissors .
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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oligophagy wrote: | "a Month for the Creation of Electronic Simulacra as that may Reciprocate and Entertain"
My modification of the alternate Super Game Bakedown title, proposed by a forum member whose name I can't remember because I am horrible person (sorry whoever!). |
I'm goin' with that. _________________ SUPER GAME BAKEDOWN 2007 IS COMING. |
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oligophagy .
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Stopped by the domain today (for Curiosity!) and saw the forums. Now I have questions!: Is the whole month going to be run from there or are you building some Web 2.0-esque ancillaries? Will supergamebakedown.com provide image and file hosting? Is there anything I can help with?
It's cool if you don't have answers yet; I ask to pass the time! |
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professor_scissors .
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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oligophagy wrote: | Stopped by the domain today (for Curiosity!) and saw the forums. Now I have questions!: Is the whole month going to be run from there or are you building some Web 2.0-esque ancillaries? Will supergamebakedown.com provide image and file hosting? Is there anything I can help with?
It's cool if you don't have answers yet; I ask to pass the time! |
We'll pretty much be running everything from the forums, although as games are completed we will link to them from the main page. No Web 2.0-type fancy stuff or file hosting. Not this year, at least... if this thing gets bigger, we'll see. _________________ SUPER GAME BAKEDOWN 2007 IS COMING. |
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professor_scissors .
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Asceai .
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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professor_scissors wrote: | MegaZeux (Is there a real homepage for this? It didn't show up on Google very clearly)
Anything else? |
yes sir |
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Nana Komatsu weak sauce
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GSL .
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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I forgot all about it. I was going to try and whip up a short VN on ONScripter, too... |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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i was planning on participating but my new year saw a bunch of setbacks: i was sick, then the magazine was (is) late. i don't like how it became a selectbutton thing too, since i'm not sure how comfortable i'd be keeping a development diary for my game concept over there. _________________
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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If I'd had nothing better to do this month, I would have totally joined in.
So did many people actually participate with this? |
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ApM Admin Rockstar
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:05 am Post subject: |
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I did for a couple of weeks, then bought a grotesquely faulty computer from eBay and spent over a week making it work.
I granted myself an extension, though, so we're cool. |
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