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Mister Toups
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| Persona-Sama wrote: | | I still suggest we put up an image board too. Imageboard are a world of fun/chaos. Very Happy |
Do you mean like 4chan or like an oekaki board? I think an oekaki board would be great.
| Joe wrote: | | I just worry that the usual suspects will return and we'll be back to a few people dominating discussions because everyone else is afraid to get banned. |
Unless Deus shows interest none of the old mods will be returning.
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Obviously, a community cannot survive a shipwreck like this without changing its nature, but I don't think any one person in this community can claim even to understand it in its entirety. (Although I'll add that if anybody's going to be the forum's steward for the time being, Mr. Toups is the best choice, from my perspective.) In which case, I think the best approach for representing the collected interests of the community is just to represent the community itself. You can make an argument that a summarized front page with current goings-on and such is an appropriate way to do that, but why bother? And more importantly, who's going to go to the effort?
I visit two forums. Insert Credit's forum is the larger forum; it's also a lot faster. The conversation moves on if you don't pay close attention. It's also a little bit dumber, just because it's so big; so many personalities and histories are crammed together that flamewars are pretty common. Things like this weekend happen. Whatever. |
You do have a point, but I think my response to this is that we should have a frontpage precisely because the forums are so big. In order for any online community to do well you need at least a steady trickle of newcomers to offset people who leave and to inject some fresh air into things. As you say, the IC forums are large, and occasionally dumb. If the forums are the front page visitors are just as likely to see the worst we have to offer as well as the best (and this was also a problem with the forums at IC). Having front-page content wouldn't make the site any less self-contained, at least assuming the front page content was all produced by forum members.
There are also some practical reasons for not having the frontpage being the forums (i.e. if something like the 4chan invasion happened again somehow it would be much worse for all that shit to be a click away, if not right there on the front page, etc).
| ebrey wrote: | IC already covers the game news, and Gamers Quarter covers the in depth video game articles. Which is why I think non-game related articles by personalities like tollmaster, patsy, and dhex would be awesome. If someone identified with the new forum more than TGQ they could write a gaming article for the new site... it's just that the perspective of the new site would be "articulate people interested in a lot of things, including video games" where's IC's is "people interested in obscure Japanese games" and TGQ's is "people who like intense video game analysis"
Admittedly, that's just my perspective. But it seems like a logical way of distinguishing the three sites without really splitting the community (because people can be registered at TGQ and neo IC while making comments at IC Classic). |
This is a pretty great idea. But I still think we should be balanced off by actual videogame-related content (this is after all, a videogame forum). Still, no reason to limit to that.
| 108 wrote: | | I say to make the address to which the applications are sent a shared one between several users, who will then post the applications in the "introduce yourself 0.5" thread, where other forum members vote to let the person in or not. The fun part is, the applicant will be able to view the deliberation process!! |
As amusing as this sounds I don't think it's really necessary. I only intend on excluding spambots, anyway. If the forums wind up ballooning then I may implement something like this.
| schild wrote: | | This is an "are you in or are you out" type deal here guys. Long haul. Don't dick around. Don't create a bunch of sites. Do it right and do it ONCE. |
As far as I am concerned, that is what I'm doing. What do you want me to do, ask jiji and vinc and shaper to delete the forums for their own websites with a link to this new one?
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1) acquire webspace (Toups?)
2) Install forums to forums.presselect.com, install Wordpress to the root directory (I can help)
3) archives can go in /archives/
4) priority can then be placed on setting up forums before the root Wordpress is skinned |
The first step is done but we need to settle on a domain name before we move on.
I intend on at least establishing the forums in some working order before deciding on any bigger questions. My tentative plan is not a clean wipe but instead having threads from the last few months to ease the transition. Also keep the archives freely accessible at any time, and if anyone wants to revive an old thread then (if possible) it can be moved to the real forum
| SuperWes wrote: | Hey Toups, something else to think about:
If you import all of the old topics and posts I think you'll also be importing all of the users. Most people won't need to sign up, so you won't need to worry about accepting hundreds of users right away.
-Wes |
This is the biggest reason I don't want to do a clean slate.
| Joe wrote: | | Not having open registration is the 100% sure-fire way of starving a community of life. |
I'm not sure if that's really true in this case. Anyway the registration won't be closed, it will just require me to click "okay" on every new user that isn't clearly a spambot. I don't intend on weeding people out based on quality or requiring applications or anything. It's just to keep an invasion from happening, and if it does, the worst that can happen is a DoS attack.
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| Mister Toups wrote: | | Unless Deus shows interest none of the old mods will be returning. |
On the condition that I'm not expected to be watching these things at all hours of the day, and there's no particular opposition to me doing so, sure, I'll take the janitor position. |
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Toups, if you don't feel like approving a bunch of users, get some other admins to help you. I think having all that old sludge will do more harm than good.
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| DeusJester wrote: | | Mister Toups wrote: | | Unless Deus shows interest none of the old mods will be returning. |
On the condition that I'm not expected to be watching these things at all hours of the day, and there's no particular opposition to me doing so, sure, I'll take the janitor position. |
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Mister Toups
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| Joe wrote: | | Toups, if you don't feel like approving a bunch of users, get some other admins to help you. I think having all that old sludge will do more harm than good. |
If we end up being overwhelmed by new accounts I will do this.
Honestly I think that a lot of the things we are discussing don't need to be decided until the site launches, and then we can slowly implement new features one by one.
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| Mister Toups wrote: | | The first step is done but we need to settle on a domain name before we move on. |
No, really, we don't...
selectbutton.net is already registered, let's just use that as a temporary location so that we can get things moving with as little drama as possible, and then decide on a new domain name once the forums are back online, in the forums.
In fact, while waiting for a backup of the old forums to get moved over, it might be a good idea to setup temp forums at the site so we can stop spamming TGQ.
One forum named "Refugee Camp" or somethins at http://selectbutton.net/tempforums which can just be deleted as soon as the real forums are back online. We can get someone to leave behind a sticky post here directing people there.
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| Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | selectbutton.net is already registered, let's just use that as a temporary location so that we can get things moving with as little drama as possible, and then decide on a new domain name once the forums are back online, in the forums. |
So is becausevideogames.com
If you do what you have proposed, select button will be the name, and the forum won't move. You have to have all your ducks in a row before you do this. Trust me on this.
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| Shapermc wrote: | | Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | selectbutton.net is already registered, let's just use that as a temporary location so that we can get things moving with as little drama as possible, and then decide on a new domain name once the forums are back online, in the forums. |
So is becausevideogames.com
If you do what you have proposed, select button will be the name, and the forum won't move. You have to have all your ducks in a row before you do this. Trust me on this. |
Fine, put it up at both then and someone make a banner in MS paint with all the names scribbled over each other, okay?
As long as we don't make a banner, don't use the actual names on the site until it has been decided, and actually break the domain name from pointing to the site once a new one has been decided on it should be fine.
Main thing is to get everyone in a centralized place before things get too disparate...
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| Shapermc wrote: | | Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | selectbutton.net is already registered, let's just use that as a temporary location so that we can get things moving with as little drama as possible, and then decide on a new domain name once the forums are back online, in the forums. |
So is becausevideogames.com
If you do what you have proposed, select button will be the name, and the forum won't move. You have to have all your ducks in a row before you do this. Trust me on this. |
Agreed.
Also, I don't think there's really any drama going on here, HSB.
Just have a poll here, set it to be open for a set time, and then go with the winner. Can't argue with dee mock ruh see.
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| Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | Main thing is to get everyone in a centralized place before things get too disparate... |
Yeah, I know. But seriously, you have at least a week. IC has regrouped after a month, a few days for good planning for a new perminent site/forum is better than having something now. A ounce of precaution is worth pounds of results (what the hell is that saying? I know I got it wrong).
I'm just saying, don't rush too fast, you have more time than you think.
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I'm willing to wait another day that a better name shows up. As much as like becausevideogames.
Again Shaper is being very accomidating and we have everyone assembled here. I think the only main poster that isn't accounted for is TDS.
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| Rud13 wrote: | | I think the only main poster that isn't accounted for is TDS. |
me: lol
david: hey sup!
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| Shapermc wrote: | | Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | Main thing is to get everyone in a centralized place before things get too disparate... |
Yeah, I know. But seriously, you have at least a week. IC has regrouped after a month, a few days for good planning for a new perminent site/forum is better than having something now. A ounce of precaution is worth pounds of results (what the hell is that saying? I know I got it wrong).
I'm just saying, don't rush too fast, you have more time than you think. |
I hear you, but I don't like the discussion happening at TGQ.
I want a centralized place where we can get as many people as possible who were vested in the old IC forums to have a voice as soon as possible before any decisions are made -- including the domain name.
Right now, only the limited group of people at IC who also knew about TGQ are making decisions.
Also, making temp forums will take off the pressure of moving off TGQ and let people make decisions as slowly as needed. It will also be good to have a more official gathering place.
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| Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | Shapermc wrote: | | Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | Main thing is to get everyone in a centralized place before things get too disparate... |
Yeah, I know. But seriously, you have at least a week. IC has regrouped after a month, a few days for good planning for a new perminent site/forum is better than having something now. A ounce of precaution is worth pounds of results (what the hell is that saying? I know I got it wrong).
I'm just saying, don't rush too fast, you have more time than you think. |
I hear you, but I don't like the discussion happening at TGQ.
I want a centralized place where we can get as many people as possible who were vested in the old IC forums to have a voice as soon as possible before any decisions are made -- including the domain name.
Right now, only the limited group of people at IC who also knew about TGQ are making decisions.
Also, making temp forums will take off the pressure of moving off TGQ and let people make decisions as slowly as needed. |
HSB name someone who isn't here? We ALL are.
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| Shapermc wrote: | | Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | Main thing is to get everyone in a centralized place before things get too disparate... |
Yeah, I know. But seriously, you have at least a week. IC has regrouped after a month, a few days for good planning for a new perminent site/forum is better than having something now. A ounce of precaution is worth pounds of results (what the hell is that saying? I know I got it wrong).
I'm just saying, don't rush too fast, you have more time than you think. |
Yeah. Let's take this slow. I want this to be as perfect as possible.
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| kthorjensen wrote: | | hi cuties |
hi kthor I never read your comic is that ok?
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| Mister Toups wrote: | | Shapermc wrote: | | Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | Main thing is to get everyone in a centralized place before things get too disparate... |
Yeah, I know. But seriously, you have at least a week. IC has regrouped after a month, a few days for good planning for a new perminent site/forum is better than having something now. A ounce of precaution is worth pounds of results (what the hell is that saying? I know I got it wrong).
I'm just saying, don't rush too fast, you have more time than you think. |
Yeah. Let's take this slow. I want this to be as perfect as possible. |
Insert relationship/sex joke here.
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News? Blogs? Cool recent threads? really I think that's something to think about after we move and have forums setup.
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| Rud13 wrote: | | HSB name someone who isn't here? We ALL are. |
People I don't recall seeing yet:
ReroRero?
Gideon Zhi?
Moogs?
bort?
Crazy Bacon Lips?
RobotRocker?
Deets?
luvcraft?
alice?
GigaMach?
I might be wrong on some of those, but I'm not recalling them contributing to any of the discussion on TGQ right now. |
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| bort and deets are both here. deets has been registered here under a different name for a long time (with the same avatar). |
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| Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | Rud13 wrote: | | HSB name someone who isn't here? We ALL are. |
Deets?
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Deets is here. Jason Moses
Also, Rero is registered here... but I haven't seen him.
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| beige wrote: | | So what would be on the front page? |
I do think the idea of forums-generated content is a good one. That sort of thing used to happen all the time on IC, but very very rarely did it ever go anywhere, and most of it was eventually lost. Chaz's Outrun 2 post springs immediately to mind as something that really should've been front-paged, if any of the old guard remembers that. Be nice to have that implicit, that if you cough up something like that, up it goes. I also don't know that there is anything else quite like that up currently? A purely forum-driven content page? |
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I think Crazy Bacon Lips is here. And yeah Shaper already pointed out ReroRero was here. Even still we have a huge assembly of the community here.
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wait where's winker :(
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| Shapermc wrote: | | Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | Rud13 wrote: | | HSB name someone who isn't here? We ALL are. |
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Deets is here. Jason Moses
Also, Rero is registered here... but I haven't seen him. |
Okay, and what about everyone else?
How about all the people who probably don't even realize the forums have exploded yet, and might not even find these threads?
Right now we're strongly biased towards the people who regulared the forums enough to actually be aware of everything that has happened and to care enough to start making new forums.
However! I don't think that group makes up the majority of the people who were part of the old IC forums, and we're not really accounting for them yet... |
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Certain people, like TDS, will find out either through IM or going to Don't Press Start.
We may lose some lovely people, such as Decinoge, but he was already gone anyway.
EDIT: Such as the convo that just happened above. Sorry! Was busy making the avatar for my soon-to-be-neglected new account.
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| Rud13 wrote: | | kthorjensen wrote: | | hi cuties |
hi kthor I never read your comic is that ok? |
as long as you bought it i could give a shit. let's take out a banner ad on IC for the new site, maybe a flash "bop the tim and win an ipod nano" thing where we get people to sign up for credit cards.
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| Hot Stott Bot wrote: | Right now we're strongly biased towards the people who regulared the forums enough to actually be aware of everything that has happened and to care enough to start making new forums.
However! I don't think that group makes up the majority of the people who were part of the old IC forums, and we're not really accounting for them yet... |
I think some culling of the herd is more or less inevitable at this point no matter what. I know we lost a few people permanently who just said "fuck it" when the old ones blew up and aren't really interested in rebuilding.
Thing is, the community was/is pretty tight-knit, everyone runs in the same circles. When this goes up, anyone with their ear even remotely to the ground will eventually find their way home, I'm guessing. |
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HSB, you aren't going to be able to convince me that moving now to a second temporary location is a good idea. I also figure the people that are on here for several hours every day are the ones that should be talking now. I am not discrediting others' opinions, but the ones that would be contributing the most and..ok I'm just going to drop that because it's not going to sound good no matter how I phrase it. I'll leave it up though, just to see a bit of reasoning. I don't mean anything malacious by it!
I mean hell AlphaNemesis came here. He's my buddy.
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| Hot Stott Bot wrote: | Right now we're strongly biased towards the people who regulared the forums enough to actually be aware of everything that has happened and to care enough to start making new forums.
However! I don't think that group makes up the majority of the people who were part of the old IC forums, and we're not really accounting for them yet... |
You know, it doesn't matter because those people won't find the new forums anyways. If they can't wait a little while to get new things set up and get a message about it then ... well. OK, here's the deal, Toups can use a mailing feature of the forums to email all old members to let them know the new address. He has the damn database, you can take time to do this. Do it right and do it once and you won't have all the problems that plague most forums/site/communites that don't generate cash.
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| Wilkes wrote: | | wait where's winker :( |
he is dead
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| DeusJester wrote: | | Hot Stott Bot wrote: | Right now we're strongly biased towards the people who regulared the forums enough to actually be aware of everything that has happened and to care enough to start making new forums.
However! I don't think that group makes up the majority of the people who were part of the old IC forums, and we're not really accounting for them yet... |
I think some culling of the herd is more or less inevitable at this point no matter what. I know we lost a few people permanently who just said "fuck it" when the old ones blew up and aren't really interested in rebuilding.
Thing is, the community was/is pretty tight-knit, everyone runs in the same circles. When this goes up, anyone with their ear even remotely to the ground will eventually find their way home, I'm guessing. |
I'm more worried about people like that guy who IMed me about the Sneak King thread regarding an article he was writing for some magazine and had a post count of like... 5?
I don't recall his name!
Ultimately, what I'm saying is, we need to get the lurkers aware of the reconstruction effort and create a space for them to give input should they want to.
This would mean:
1. An official meeting place.
2. As many sites with a story linking it as possible.
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Oh, and a mass e-mail would be nice!
All I'm saying is, I want to "get this right the first time" as well, and to do that, I think we need to get off of TGQ and somewhere more concrete, and that if we want to make decisions about the domain name and the focus of the forums, we need to get the whole community involved, not just the regular posters.
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Wilkes
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| wankerwitson wrote: | | Wilkes wrote: | | wait where's winker :( |
he is dead |
winker look I mentioned you in a post
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| Mister Toups wrote: | | Joe wrote: | | Not having open registration is the 100% sure-fire way of starving a community of life. |
I'm not sure if that's really true in this case. Anyway the registration won't be closed, it will just require me to click "okay" on every new user that isn't clearly a spambot. I don't intend on weeding people out based on quality or requiring applications or anything. It's just to keep an invasion from happening, and if it does, the worst that can happen is a DoS attack. |
We've installed some pretty nice anti-spambot mods that seem to have done the job pretty nicely. Try creating a new account here and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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thanks wilkes i was starved of attention
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| If Brandon bothers to reopen the IC forums for himself, starting fresh and focusing on his stuff, he'd probably have no issue with putting up an announcement post that the big unruly party went somewhere else. |
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| Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | Ultimately, what I'm saying is, we need to get the lurkers aware of the reconstruction effort and create a space for them to give input should they want to. |
| Shapermc wrote: | | OK, here's the deal, Toups can use a mailing feature of the forums to email all old members to let them know the new address. |
| Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | All I'm saying is, I want to "get this right the first time" as well, and to do that, I think we need to get off of TGQ and somewhere more concrete. |
I'm not saying that you should stay here (but you are welcome to) or that you should "move" here. What I'm saying is that you really need to have somewhere concrete and you aren't going to get it by rushing in and setting up temporary stuff. These guys are right, anyone with their ear to the ground will get the message eventually. Also, I'm sure that Brandon will put up a news post when something is set up, as will other people. I'm just saying calm down and make sure to think things through.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Shapermc wrote: | | Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | Ultimately, what I'm saying is, we need to get the lurkers aware of the reconstruction effort and create a space for them to give input should they want to. |
| Shapermc wrote: | | OK, here's the deal, Toups can use a mailing feature of the forums to email all old members to let them know the new address. |
| Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | All I'm saying is, I want to "get this right the first time" as well, and to do that, I think we need to get off of TGQ and somewhere more concrete. |
I'm not saying that you should stay here (but you are welcome to) or that you should "move" here. What I'm saying is that you really need to have somewhere concrete and you aren't going to get it by rushing in and setting up temporary stuff. |
See, this is where I think you're wrong.
The more time we spend discussing this before setting it up, and the more we try to set up something "perfect", the more we are going to set up something which is not the IC forums, and the more likely it is that people aren't going to migrate because of that.
I see two changes occuring here:
1. The new site will take on some new character.
2 . The site will move.
Making both changes at once is going to fuck us over.
| Quote: | | I'm just saying calm down and make sure to think things through. |
Don't worry man, I am. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | the more we are going to set up something which is not the IC forums |
Well, you're never going to get the "old forums" or every poster back, even if they know about the new place. Don't strive for what is already lost, etc. |
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Hot Stott Bot
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| Scratchmonkey wrote: | | Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | the more we are going to set up something which is not the IC forums |
Don't strive for what is already lost, etc. |
I thought this was the IC forums revival project? |
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Malloc
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Scratchmonkey wrote: | | Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | the more we are going to set up something which is not the IC forums |
Well, you're never going to get the "old forums" or every poster back, even if they know about the new place. Don't strive for what is already lost, etc. |
Agreed. Best to go forward with what we got. |
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Rud13
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| Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | Scratchmonkey wrote: | | Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | the more we are going to set up something which is not the IC forums |
Don't strive for what is already lost, etc. |
I thought this was the IC forums revival project? |
In a way. It also gives us a lot more. In that we are building a site that is by us as a group of what? 50? 200? people.
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Malloc
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | Scratchmonkey wrote: | | Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | the more we are going to set up something which is not the IC forums |
Don't strive for what is already lost, etc. |
I thought this was the IC forums revival project? |
From what I gather, it's more of a cleaning house. The IC forums themselves were quite disconnected with the main page, which is (again, from what I gather) the primary reason Brandon soft-nuked the forums like he did. Thus, we're severing official ties with IC completely and moving the core userbase to a different sandbox, as it were. |
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Scratchmonkey
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Hot Stott Bot wrote: | | I thought this was the IC forums revival project? |
You can only try and revive what's already dead. You might get the "spirit" of the IC forums, not the forums themselves, even if you reanimate the corpse. |
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HSB, all that we are trying to accomplish here is relocating the core community of IC forums posters somewhere else. That guy with 5 posts isn't going to come there, because he wants to talk about videogames. He doesn't want to talk to "the crew," you know? This is relocating the crew. People can talk all they want about frontpage this, new users that. Stuff like that will come in time. At the moment though, this is about "the crew," not making another Insert Credit. You dig?
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