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GilloD .
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: Ugh. World of Warcraft |
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So, I played WoW last summer, had my fun, and sold it on Ebay just to rid myself of it. I went to Best Buy yesterday to pick up NewSMB and ended up with World of Warcraft. What's wrong with me? I already have a 12 Rogue. Help.
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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That is kind of frightening.
Honestly. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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huh. _________________
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Lestrade Bug Fister
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Lestrade on the Eitrigg server. Look out for my (fo' realz) wife, Fellia. It does that. |
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Lackey .
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I went to Best Buy yesterday to pick up NewSMB and ended up with World of Warcraft. What's wrong with me? |
Walk more slowly and watch your hands carefully. _________________ | Little bird fighting against a bat sect game | |
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OtakupunkX .
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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I started writing an article about how World of Warcraft ruins lives and how the people that play the game get their priorities messed up big time (I have a friend whose parents are getting a divorce and he's angry because their divorce stuff is cutting into his WoW time). I'm almost done with it but I'm not sure what I'll do with it when it's done. |
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Pijaibros .
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Wasn't the same thing said about Everquest back in its time? |
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OtakupunkX .
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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I think so. It was probably said about Ultima Online and every other MMO with a decent following too. WoW is the one that has affected the lives of people around me (and, inadvertently, my life) the most, though. |
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Pijaibros .
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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You're probably right, but for me it was Everquest that let this genre of titles be known.
The closest thing I got to a MMORPG was Diablo II. Man, a couple of friends and I were hooked on that game for like 2 years. It was a sick experience. Rushing new characters, experimenting with countless builds, and killing Mephisto for hours hoping for a fancy unique with better stats. It was insanity. Basrtering, selling, acquiring, twinking. I don't know if I will ever be that engrossed in a game again. I should be lucky that it at least didn't have a monthly fee. |
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helicopterp .
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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I did a semester abroad at Oxford last year. One guy on the trip with me brought his computer, and instead of doing the massive amounts of schoolwork or going out to the clubs or visiting Europe or London or something, he played WoW. The rest of us got our rocks off once by uninstalling it when he wasn't looking. _________________ Like you thought you'd seen copter perverts before. They were nothing compared to this one. |
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purplechair .
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 3:19 am Post subject: |
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One of my friends failed the last year of his degree because of WoW, and is retaking it this year. Recently, he complained that he just didn't have time to do both, so he was thinking about just dropping out of uni altogether.
Stop me if I've already said this: I think the trouble with WoW, and most MMORPGs, is that character development is the prime objective. It's an endless, unfulfilling loop, like drugs or something. You're always looking at the next few levels up and thinking they're going to be excellent, but by the time you've got them, you're already eyeing up the next few levels.
The only "fun" thing about these games is the social aspect - working in a team to beat the bosses, co-ordinating your skill trees, trading items and so on. And it's really not worth paying $15/month just to talk to your friends. |
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OtakupunkX .
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 6:43 am Post subject: |
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purplechair wrote: | The only "fun" thing about these games is the social aspect - working in a team to beat the bosses, co-ordinating your skill trees, trading items and so on. And it's really not worth paying $15/month just to talk to your friends. |
A friend of mine plays it just to meet new people. One time I asked him why he didn't use MySpace for that and he just kind of grunted and went back to whatever he was doing. I also have friends that convert real world money into in-game gold, which is slightly ridiculous. |
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: |
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My dad has had this friend for the past 25 and some odd years. He is the same guy who gave me Zelda once he finished it (I still have the same cart and map/tip book that he gave me). About 2 years ago he got WoW. After a couple months he was still playing it from the moment he got home 'till he went to bed. He stopped meeting with his friends (my Dad for one) and started canceling engagements. It got really bad to the point that his wife forced him to take a 3 week vacation to visit Isreal (although not Jewish, they do this somewhat frequently). I told my parents--at this point I had been enlisted to explain/help figure out what was going on--that the time away would probably snap him out of it if he realised that he was addicted. That was about a year ago, after he had the game for almost a year.
About a month ago now I was visiting with my parents and we somehow came upon the topic of WoW. I had to enquire what was going on with my dad's friend. Aparently he still played it. My dad has only seen him once over the past 2 years (at one point they use to get together 3 or more times a week) and the time they went out together all he did was talk about WoW, then show my dad his characters when they got back. He complains to his wife about how his "friends" can't play tonight because they are "grounded from the computer."
It is kind of sad and sick at the same time.
helicopterp wrote: | The rest of us got our rocks off once by uninstalling it when he wasn't looking. |
How'd that go over?
OtakupunkX wrote: | One time I asked him why he didn't use MySpace for that and he just kind of grunted and went back to whatever he was doing. |
Well, I don't know... MySpace might actually be worse. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
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TheRumblefish .
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Myspace is Hell's waiting list, and a lot of us are on it. Sadly, the newest generation will most likely be called the "Myspace" generation, instead of X,Y,Z, Alpha, Omega, Blah.
Anyways. I lost a good friend to WoW. I haven't fucking talked to him in almost a year because of that stupid fucking game. _________________
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:24 am Post subject: |
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shapes: that's pretty fucking sad. _________________
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Dracko .
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: |
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TheRumblefish wrote: | Sadly, the newest generation will most likely be called the "Myspace" generation, instead of X,Y,Z, Alpha, Omega, Blah. |
I think they already settled on the iGeneration.
MySpace is just plain horrifying.
And I've never understood the long-term appeal of MMORPGs. Sure, I can see how it's good fun and almost socialising, but in the long run, it just seems detrimental. That one image of man's evolution ending up with him hunched over a computer kind of takes new levels of meaning with the WoW craze of the moment. It's also quite weird just seeing some of the responses Something Awful has received for parodying it.
I'd be more worried if it didn't mean I could just avoid the majority of fuck-up shut-ins thanks to it. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 7:30 am Post subject: |
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yeah, but without myspace my friend tuda would never be able to look up everyone we went to high school with and show me the highlights. _________________
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helicopterp .
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Shapermc wrote: | helicopterp wrote: | The rest of us got our rocks off once by uninstalling it when he wasn't looking. |
How'd that go over? |
It was pretty funny. Mission accomplished. _________________ Like you thought you'd seen copter perverts before. They were nothing compared to this one. |
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TheRumblefish .
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Dracko wrote: | TheRumblefish wrote: | Sadly, the newest generation will most likely be called the "Myspace" generation, instead of X,Y,Z, Alpha, Omega, Blah. |
I think they already settled on the iGeneration.
MySpace is just plain horrifying.
And I've never understood the long-term appeal of MMORPGs. Sure, I can see how it's good fun and almost socialising, but in the long run, it just seems detrimental. That one image of man's evolution ending up with him hunched over a computer kind of takes new levels of meaning with the WoW craze of the moment. It's also quite weird just seeing some of the responses Something Awful has received for parodying it.
I'd be more worried if it didn't mean I could just avoid the majority of fuck-up shut-ins thanks to it. |
It's sad really in every way. Seriously from Shaper's story to mine which I don't feel like talking about, it's taken away friends, and broken families. That's just sick. Then again so has a lot of things, but specifically WoW is just scary. I don't understand how it can be so engrossing. So enveloping.
I've never seen the Something Awful parodies, I guess it's time to pay the site a visit. _________________
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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Dracko wrote: | TheRumblefish wrote: | Sadly, the newest generation will most likely be called the "Myspace" generation, instead of X,Y,Z, Alpha, Omega, Blah. |
I think they already settled on the iGeneration. |
So, ummm, what is the birth years for this iGeneration? _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
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Mr. Mechanical Friendly Stranger
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Shapermc wrote: | Dracko wrote: | TheRumblefish wrote: | Sadly, the newest generation will most likely be called the "Myspace" generation, instead of X,Y,Z, Alpha, Omega, Blah. |
I think they already settled on the iGeneration. |
So, ummm, what is the birth years for this iGeneration? |
Anyone born after 1990? I thought anyone born after 1980 was considered in the Y Generation group.
Generation Y sounds stupid and cheesy. Generation X at least sounds cool, and iGeneration is at least clever. What do we get? A Fucking Y, dude. Yep, that's our generation right there. Why? Because we came after X. Lame. |
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helicopterp .
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Mechanical wrote: | Why? |
That's Y. _________________ Like you thought you'd seen copter perverts before. They were nothing compared to this one. |
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DonMarco .
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Didn't Pepsi call us Generation Next or something to that effect? I thought the '85-95 was the MTV Generation. _________________ Collector of over 1,538 strategy guides. That's weird, right?
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Mechanical wrote: | Why? Because we came after X. Lame. |
Tell me this is a joke.
Please.
Can't we at least be Baby Boomers the Sequel? _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
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Mr. Mechanical Friendly Stranger
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Shapermc wrote: | Mr. Mechanical wrote: | Why? Because we came after X. Lame. |
Tell me this is a joke.
Please. |
Um, sure? I mean, that's just my assumption because I've actually heard people refer to me as being part of Generation Y. You can understand if I didn't exactly press the issue.
Shapermc wrote: | Can't we at least be Baby Boomers the Sequel? |
Yes. However, since hiphop is the dominant musical art form of today's youth culture we'd have to at least be something along the lines of B-Boomas: Back inna Boom-Boom, Baby. |
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TheRumblefish .
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Mechanical wrote: |
Shapermc wrote: | Can't we at least be Baby Boomers the Sequel? |
Yes. However, since hiphop is the dominant musical art form of today's youth culture we'd have to at least be something along the lines of B-Boomas: Back inna Boom-Boom, Baby. |
Oh man. I mean, I think everyone should be called "Baby Boomers" something. it just sounds so cool. But B-BOOMAZ: BAK INDA BOOMA-BOOMA BOODY! Is my take, it's just a little bit more funky.
As for the actual generation specifics, I can't remember. It was some study I read in my Applied Ethics class that ended up in a debate on why MySpace is not fair to label a generation. It was, scary none the less. At least our Professor was a badass and admitted that he though it was fitting. He has seen some stupid students in his day I'm sure. _________________
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Persona-sama Weltbeherrschen Mangaka
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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DonMarco wrote: | Didn't Pepsi call us Generation Next or something to that effect? I thought the '85-95 was the MTV Generation. |
Yeah, I think our generation was popularized as having the shortest attention span from all those short commercials and MTV. Of course, I think the newer generations are beating us out with their birth into a world of established OCDs, internet, and television. _________________
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OtakupunkX .
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 7:43 am Post subject: |
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TheRumblefish wrote: | It's sad really in every way. Seriously from Shaper's story to mine which I don't feel like talking about, it's taken away friends, and broken families. That's just sick. Then again so has a lot of things, but specifically WoW is just scary. I don't understand how it can be so engrossing. So enveloping. |
I actually got to play WoW once (a friend of mine had to go take a shower or something and he wanted me to watch his character to make sure nothing bad happened). It's really not that great of a game.
One of my really good friends (I run a website with him, actually) was the web designer for WC Radio (a WoW related online radio station that was really big at one point) before they shut down, even though he rarely played the game. Apparently the whole thing was a really bad experience but he was able to attend BlizzCon and got the honor of being one of the only people to ever play StarCraft: Ghost |
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 8:00 am Post subject: |
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everyone's got to have hobbies.
what i wonder about folks who get sucked into wow/mmorgps in general; what were their lives like before they got engrossed?
maybe it's an improvement. _________________
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OtakupunkX .
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 8:09 am Post subject: |
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dhex wrote: | what i wonder about folks who get sucked into wow/mmorgps in general; what were their lives like before they got engrossed?
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Most of the people I know had better lives before getting addicted to WoW.
When I worked on the 2daystech.tv video podcast there was this guy (another good friend of mine) who sat around complaining that we were taking too long filming the show and that we needed to hurry up so he could go home and get on WoW. He never appeared on the show; in fact, he was only there because we used his LCD widescreen monitor to display stuff during the show.
One time after we were done filming an episode we all went over to his house to hang out and film a review of Full Auto that never aired. Strangely enough, he didn't go play WoW when we were over at all. |
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Most of the people I know had better lives before getting addicted to WoW. |
clearly they disagree.
hence the rub. _________________
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OtakupunkX .
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 8:21 am Post subject: |
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dhex wrote: | Quote: | Most of the people I know had better lives before getting addicted to WoW. |
clearly they disagree.
hence the rub. |
That is very true. |
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GilloD .
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I play WoW because I've got a lot of free time on my hands at the moment. I have to say, if someone called me up and said "Hey, let's go see Les Savy Fav!", I'd drop my WoW game in a heartbeat. However, that hasn't happened and isn't happening and therefore I HAVE SOME GNOLLS TO KILL THANKS VERY MUCH.
It's just as bad as AIM, if you ask me. |
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sawtooth .
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dhex wrote: | Quote: | Most of the people I know had better lives before getting addicted to WoW. |
clearly they disagree.
hence the rub. |
My life has been soooo much better since i discovered crack cocaine, but dammit I need more crack cocaine I've got to leave now I've got to go find some crack cocaine CRACK COCAINE hey man want to try some I need some codependents to chill with ;___;
my entire high school social circle spent at least one day skipping school for WoW.
One by one, they passed a copy of it around, switching from backpack to backpack during lunch, joining up one by one. Every day at lunch it was all they fucking talked about, and half the time their focus was on getting me to try it.
I find within myself a distinct lack of willpower and potential for obsessive behavior, so I've spent the last couple of years convincing myself that I'd hate it and that it would cost too much, so I've done pretty well at staying away.
I realize just now that this post sounds like some major Ad-council type crap, but... yeah. _________________
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helicopterp .
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True story: I went to a flea market today. I found a stand for used games, poked around, bought a couple, and started talking to the guy running the operation. After a while, I asked, "So what do you play?" He told me that he plays World of Warcraft six days a week for six hours a day. I hope he didn't hear the thud my jaw made when it crashed into the floor. _________________ Like you thought you'd seen copter perverts before. They were nothing compared to this one. |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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sawtooth wrote: | I realize just now that this post sounds like some major Ad-council type crap, but... yeah. |
winners don't use drugs. _________________
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OtakupunkX .
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So yesterday I dropped off a job application at a friend's house while he was in the middle of a marathon WoW session. The smile on his dad's face when he saw that I might have found a way to pry his son off of WoW made my day.
sawtooth wrote: | my entire high school social circle spent at least one day skipping school for WoW. |
Mine too. |
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: |
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dhex wrote: | what i wonder about folks who get sucked into wow/mmorgps in general; what were their lives like before they got engrossed? |
Here is a list of known pre-WoW hobbies from the guy in my story:
Pre:
Wine Tasting
Racketball (fuck you I can too spell!)
Working Out
Travel (foreign countries and the planning of such trips)
Computer Tech stuff
The occasional video game
Now:
WoW _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 10:45 am Post subject: |
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i'll continue to play devil's advocate on this, cause why not?
- are they harming anyone?
- are they harming themselves? (judging harm to self is a slippery slope, mind you, since we should all be exercising and/or learning how to speak arabic or something useful rather than playing games, much less posting to a message board about playing games)
- is the problem more one of exclusivity than activity? (i.e. that they pull contact away from their local friends to concentrate on non-local relationships)
- what is "missing" from their lives that they find in this? what purpose does it fulfill?
- what should they be doing? if not this, why not? it's all essentially idleness, and therefore suspect in most of the popular civil, religious and political moral systems.
- some winners use drugs. _________________
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purplechair .
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dhex wrote: | - what is "missing" from their lives that they find in this? what purpose does it fulfill? |
An active social life from the comfort of their own home? |
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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I am only going to take a stab at a few here:
dhex wrote: | - are they harming anyone?
- are they harming themselves? (judging harm to self is a slippery slope, mind you, since we should all be exercising and/or learning how to speak arabic or something useful rather than playing games, much less posting to a message board about playing games)
- what is "missing" from their lives that they find in this? what purpose does it fulfill?
- what should they be doing? if not this, why not? it's all essentially idleness, and therefore suspect in most of the popular civil, religious and political moral systems. |
He are not literally "harming" anyone, no. He is however harming his wife emotionally, and his marrage.
He is missing working out and staying active like he once was. I recall that he is near 50 now which means it is even more important to stay healthy for longer life. So he is harming himself.
It is not what he should be doing, but the fact that he is not moderating his activities reasonably. Now I know many people who do play MMO type games in healthy moderation, and I also know non-MMO people who play games at the same level/amount as people who play MMO games.
While I see you point, you sly devil, I am just going to say that (most) everything is ok within moderation. Which is really all I am saying, I am not saying that MMO games are evil and should be burned en masse in the town square. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
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OtakupunkX .
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So I'm trying to get one of my friends that is hopelessly addicted to WoW a job at the same place I work at. I gave him an application (which I've been bugging the hell out of him to fill out) and I'm driving him over there today so he can check it out.
It should be interesting to see how this turns out... |
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