The Gamer's Quarter

Ryan - SuperWes' Bane

So I've seen the movie about 7 times already since my friend sent me a copy about two weeks ago. Brilliant, didn't let me down at all. Even though it was entirely in Japanese, I still caught the gist of it and understood a good 80% of the movie. So of course FFVII: Dirge of Cerberus is coming out next year, and I hear that another one for the PSP or DS might be in the works as well, all based on the Advent Children movie. It's sold VERY well in Japan, and when it finally comes out in the USA I bet it will sell well too.

That being said, what are you thoughts about the movie and upcoming games? FFX-2 was a real let down in terms of an overall gaming experience . . . hope the same isn't true for this follow up game.

DonMarco · . Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 349 Location: 33903

Final Fantasy is mainstream. And therefore, crap.

You play much of the Shadow Hearts? Shin Megami Tensei? What's the last Nippon Ichi game you played?
_________________
Collector of over 1,538 strategy guides. That's weird, right?

sawtooth · . Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 419

Final Fantasy has plenty of faults, but don't dump on it simply for the reason of being mainstream.

I'm not terribly sure about this, but I heard that the shin megami tensei series is the third top-selling series in Japan, which would make it decidedly non-obscure. Unless you're just trolling so then whatever. Final Fantasy is crap because people like it Cool

Also, how can a person judge a movie if they don't understand it? It's like watching Lord of the Rings dubbed in Sanskrit (me not knowing Sanskrit, of course). Except that the general consensus is that Advent Children is a crap movie with too much awkward product placement. With Lord of the Rings in Sanskrit, I could understand that there are elves and explosions, but that's not the only thing that made the movie so great.

SuperWes · Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:01 am Post subject:

Lackey · . Joined: 11 Jul 2005 Posts: 1107 Location: Canada

It's too bad I can't think of a way to invert Wes' logo like bizarro Superman's flipped "S." It would make a good avatar for Ryan, I think.
_________________
| Little bird fighting against a bat sect game |

SuperWes · Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:45 am Post subject:

Mwahahaha!

-Wes
_________________

Mister Toups · Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:59 pm Post subject:

DonMarco · . Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 349 Location: 33903

Ryan - SuperWes' Bane · Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject:

I feel that FF took a dive AFTER FF7, and then went up again with FFX . .. and then way back down again. The remakes of FF1 an 2 were good, and FF3 looks sweet as well.

And I did take Japanese for the equivalent of 3 years in college and I've been studying it ever since. I understood about 60% of the movie from my current knowledge, but the more complex stuff was way over my head . . . still a blast though. Besides, AC was an action movie. Do you REALLY need to know what they are saying??

wourme · . Joined: 01 Jul 2005 Posts: 362 Location: Maridia

I like the Final Fantasy games, even the modern ones, but I have no plans to bother with 11, X-2, or Crystal Chronicles. I'm looking forward to 12 even though I haven't really read anything about it other than some FFT/Vagrant Story designers are working on it.

I saw Advent Children about a week ago with English subtitles. I ended up fast-forwarding most of it. (It was easy to keep up with the conversations even at 2x speed.) It had some pretty impressive parts but I don't see myself caring to see it again. I guess I felt about it the same way I felt about Spirits Within--technically impressive but forgettable and unnecessary.

Sort of a spoiler, but not really:
I also wanted to see more to the fights than just guns and swords. I would have preferred that they dispense with the story altogether and just have one long battle full of monsters, summons, and spells--I counted one summon and one variety of monster, both of which were pretty boring compared to many of those in the game.

sawtooth · . Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 419

purplechair · . Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 378 Location: in my pants

Advent Children was fucking awful.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I have a feeling the meeting went like this:

Szczepaniak · . Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 770

sawtooth · . Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 419

I was going to get you started on this, but it's really besides the point. I was just choosing it as an example. In your mind, replace it with your most favorite film of all time.

And read the LoTR books, too. You'd understand a little better. I don't think the movie is for the people who never read the books.

Lackey · . Joined: 11 Jul 2005 Posts: 1107 Location: Canada

I was not in that meeting, and I resent these allegations!
_________________
| Little bird fighting against a bat sect game |

Ryan - SuperWes' Bane · Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:19 pm Post subject:

sawtooth · . Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 419

Sushi d · Moderator Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 239

those that think FFAC is good are those fans that have been serviced..

as for i.. it did not service me at all.

i feel, as well as others, that FF7 killed all of its own awesomeness when they left midgar. so naturally, a movie made mostly of the crap from the rest of the game would not work for me.

regarding the canonized game series from the seventh and onward, i feel they try hard to reach a bunch of specific mainstream demographics while trying to keep the game, atmosphere, and narrative working together with it... unfortunately, they arent good at it so it falls apart on one end or the other... such as FF9 which mainly targeted the classical FF conniseurs and didnt do much to to reach other demographics.. and the atmosphere was very dry too...

i beleive that the FF series should stop using prerendered cutscenes alltogether...

etc etc etc <insert more incoherent crap here> etc etc...
_________________
X_X

dark steve · . Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 1110

From this and the FFXII demo, I think Square should just sack their entire art department

Sushi d · Moderator Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 239

sawtooth · . Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 419

Lackey · . Joined: 11 Jul 2005 Posts: 1107 Location: Canada

I'd say a more productive expenditure of effort would be to make things that just aren't Final Fantasy. Not that I have fundamental issues with FF, but what's the point? I'm alarmed that the series is as long-running as it already is.

To be fair they do only have a few consistent details between games. Square could probably make anything and call if Final Fantasy if they wanted to.
_________________
| Little bird fighting against a bat sect game |

Swimmy · . Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 990 Location: Fairfax, VA

dessgeega · Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:32 am Post subject:

dark steve · . Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 1110

My objection is that the whole talent pool just seems too inbred. The attempt at a sprawling, unified aesthetic that's been going on since at least VI or VII has been getting progressively more monstrous and needs to be cut off at the knees.

And yeah, shelving the whole franchise for a few years wouldn't hurt anyone.

(Also I kinda like the first FF Tactics)

dessgeega · Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:34 am Post subject:

square should just make bushido blade its flagship franchise.

re-releasing internal section wouldn't hurt either.
_________________

dark steve · . Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 1110

See those games are actually made by Lightweight, is yet another problem. And the last one turned into Kabuki Fighters.

Ryan - SuperWes' Bane · Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:19 am Post subject: