The Gamer's Quarter

Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

Shapermc: "The big shocker for me is seeing Pokemon in there. A Nintendo game for a Sega console. That's progress!"
This is messing with my head
Shapermc: First sonic on the GC and now this...
Dess: it's a new era, my friend.
Shapermc: I feel like the acid I took in college fucked up the real worls
Shapermc: *d
Dess: don't get all solipsistic on me!
Shapermc: Do you think that Sega would still be SEGA if they released the DC in the US when it was released in Japan? I mean, that would be almost a full other year and you would not get as many "The PS2 is coming soon" people.
Dess: i try not to conjecture about such things.
Shapermc: I really miss SEGA. Now all we have is Sega.
Dess: :'(
Shapermc: I mean... AM I ALONE PEOPLE!
Shapermc: This is the most food I have eaten in like 2 weeks
Shapermc: I feel really really full, and it was not even that much food
Dess: i too find it hard to eat when i think of how sega's been replaced with the mediocrity and sameness of the playstation 2 and xbox.
Shapermc: Yea. I really just ponder these things all the time. Seriously I have sat up at night wondering why the DC did as bad as it did. I can only guess it was the rampant bootlegging (probably the worst system to get hit with it ever)
Dess: poor sega.
Dess: i want to play contra hard corps.
Shapermc: Ok, you're avoiding something here
Dess: who, me?
Shapermc: Well, if you were not like 1800 miles away I would invite you if you brought a second controller (YES YOU!)
Dess: aww, thanks. (GASP.)
Shapermc: No problem (what are you avoiding?!)
Dess: what am i avoiding?
Shapermc: Something about Sega... or SEGA
Dess: well...i didn't want to tell you, but...
Dess: ...i...
Dess: ...i had SEGA's love child!!
Shapermc: I mutherfuggin knew it! HA!
Dess: jerk.
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Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

I have uncovered the PROOF!

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sawtooth · . Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 419

SEGA desgeegata sanshiro?

so exactly what is this thread about?

edit: oh.

Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

Tablesaw · . Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 303 Location: LACAUSA

dessgeega = Sega + edges.
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DaleNixon · . Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Posts: 179

The thing is, the Dreamcast WAS a success in America. The problem was that Sega needed it to be more successful in order to climb out of their financial slump.

DonMarco · . Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 349 Location: 33903

SEGA.

Launching the DC early wasa the best thing they could've done, especially against the PS2.
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Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

SuperWes · Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:53 am Post subject:

That's a good point. But why didn't anyone realize that the PS2 games that were released in Japan sucked compared to the Dreamcast games we had here? What would the gaming world be like if the Dreamcast was still thought of as current-generation and continued along the path it was going in? Would Sega have released a new system to combat the 360? Would the Xbox have been as successful? Interesting questions...

-Wes
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ryan · . Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 999

If it came out that early, what games would there have been? I imported my Dreamcast, and the selection was pretty thin for a while there. Granted, I bought it for VF3tb alone - but still! It launched with an extremely healthy line-up over here.

I'm guessing it wouldn't have had the luxury of downtime of new releases after its launch that the PS2 and 360 had and are having.

And the Dreamcast had a lot of pure shit released on it. It wasn't like companies didn't pump games out for it, because there were some really bad, far below mediocre, titles for it. But still enough for a steady stream after launch, for a while at least. Saturn>Dreamcast

SuperWes · Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:06 pm Post subject:

ryan · . Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 999

That was just a personal thing. I tell my Dreamcast that I'll never love it as much as the Saturn. It takes it kinda hard, but it can't argue with that stack of quality over there.

Then I hold Seaman out and say, "MAYBE if you're good." That always perks 'em up.

Tablesaw · . Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 303 Location: LACAUSA

SuperWes · Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject:

Scratchmonkey · . Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 1439

Sega was a company that made great games that died because the people running it were horrible businessmen who couldn't make a profit or run a decent marketing campaign.

Hence why the comparisons to Nintendo are off-base. Nintendo may have some of the problems Sega did; these do not include making money and creating a visible (and desirable) brand.

Sony has a really impressive marketing deparment. I think of them as like sharks. Neon blue electric sharks.

dessgeega · Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject:

Szczepaniak · . Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 770

That was a funny dialogue, was it improvised or planned?

As for SEGA? I'm a huge fan, the DC was the last system I was really psyched about.

Man... I had some times on that system. Single player, multiplayer, online... The gruelling summer job was so very much worth it.

I remember taking the afternoons off "A-levels" at school, some buddies and I would head back to my place, open a few beers, smoke a few cigarettes, and get about 3 hours worth of DC game time in.

I almost feel like writing a feature on it. I don't know if I can do it justice though.

I don't know what could have saved the DC, or SEGA, since I wasn't interested in PS2 or Xbox, and the Gamecube (which I was at first interested in, but came to loathe), was still ages away.

It felt like it had so much potential, plus it allowed me to emulate the NES on it, and develop my own homebrew game.

See what you did Shaper, you've made me feel all melancholly again!

Great system, that really should have gone further. My favourite system actually. Good times, many good times. Many, many good times. Yes. The times, they were good. I miss those times, those jolly good times.

SuperWes · Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:27 am Post subject:

Scratchmonkey · . Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 1439

The fact that they're making a significant profit on their hardware helps as well.

The losses that Sega were taking on the Dreamcast console itself were extremely prohibitive. Relying on the 'razor blades' model only works if you're MS and you can afford to lose lots of money. For a company that was already circling the drain financially, it was a huge mistake.

dhex · Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject:

sawtooth · . Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 419

Whether it can be actually called innovation or not, Nintendo seems like the only company that's trying to innovate or reach new markets. The Playstation as a platform is excellent but most everything Sony builds is ridiculously shoddy and their attitude towards consumers would only get worse if they had a monopoly in Japan. Microsoft is less concerned with making games than it is putting itself into people's homes.

I'd be fine if Nintendo fell, but only if everyone else did, too. Which would be a shame, since I like using consoles.

dessgeega · Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject:

yeah, i would be sad if nintendo went under chiefly because they're the only real people (in the console industry) attempting to bring videogames to people other than the small group of kids commonly identified as "gamers".

my mother plays her ds every day. i want this trend to continue. (see: controller (r)evolution.)
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Scratchmonkey · . Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 1439

dhex · Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject:

i believe msoft is investing in device convergence and the emergence of a functionally digital living room. how successful that will be i don't know.

is game over worth 40 bucks to get? i'll add that to the biblio pile regardless (unless the prof rejects this project, in which case i'll either do eminent domain campaigns or something drug war related).

the strategy is not inherently risky; it works for apple's itunes service as well. the real future for apple lies not in making portable music players - it's becoming a platform for digital content delivery - but in the meantime they'll make a shitload selling to a fashionably-minded audience which is very enthusiastic for their music devices and their constant reiterations. some of this no doubt translates into greater mac sales as well. itunes is a good hook for folks in general.
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Scratchmonkey · . Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 1439

Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

Scratchmonkey · . Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 1439

seryogin · Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:04 am Post subject:

Game Over tells a good story and it's much better written than most of what passes for game writing these days.
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Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

dhex · Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:09 am Post subject:

i just checked strand...they have a few copies for like 13 bucks. i shall go find it this weekend and we can start a game over round robin after i've pulled the necessary quotes.

i mean, it's possible the prof might kill my project, but she's sort of weird, so i think i can slip it by. i'd have to tie it all into actions on behalf of nintendo (outside of the continual reiteration of their "classics" in repurchaseable forms, along with the coming revolution download service) which tie into this identification theme. (the ad campaign they did a few years back, with that awful berlin wall thing, is key)
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dessgeega · Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:31 am Post subject:

(epilogue.)

dess: maybe it is finally time for my child's destiny to be fulfilled - as HEIR TO SEGA
dess: SON OF ORTEGA
andy: hahah
dess: DRIVE BE MEGA
andy: he has to become... MASTER OF THE SYSTEM?
dess: but a dream cast upon the winds of fate.
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