The Gamer's Quarter

[Harveyjames]

Hey isn't it great when you're getting to know someone for the first time and you find you have something mildly obscure taste in common, like you both really like the Velvet Underground, or you both enjoy the work of that film director no-one else really knows about! So much to talk about!

But what about the times when you discover you are both aware of the work of one obscure artist- except, you FUCKING HATE that person's work and she loves it? Her very enjoyment of that person's work is a RED FLAG to you that you should never hang out with her or ask her opinion on anything ever again!

I AM TALKING MAINLY ABOUT THE WORK OF KEVIN SMITH.

SERIOUSLY, FUCK THAT GUY.

If you like the films of Kevin Smith, that is a sure sign I won't ever want to hang out with you. It's an instant, never fail taste barometer that separates cool people from people who have the worst taste in everything. That's my theory!

HERE IS AN INTERESTING EXPERIMENT. I am putting this theory to the test. I've been chatting to you guys on these internets for a long time now, but I don't know your opinion on Kevin Smith! Because I get on with you all quite well, it could be that you all hate Kevin Smith too! But it could be that I'm completely wrong! Which one is it? STEP ON ONE SIDE OF THE LINE

[Cycle]

Well, I watched his movies in high school since it was THE THING to do, but never found them all that great. Mallrats had a couple good laughs and I liked the subject matter of Chasing Amy (one of the few romantic comedies that isn't 100% sentimental crap) and found Dogma to be pretty entertaining, though when I re-watched it recently it wasn't nearly as funny as I remembered it. I think it's one of those things that you watch as a teen and think it's the BEST THING EVER but doesn't quite hold up when you're older.

Jay and Silent Bob strike back was utter shite, though.

So yeah, I never really found him offensive nor all that wonderful.
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[Harveyjames]

WHICH SIDE OF THE LINE ARE YOU ON CYCLE

[Cycle]

DON'T REALLY LIKE, I GUESS.
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[Harveyjames]

OH AND YO IF YOU HAVEN'T POSTED I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT TO MEAN YOU LIKE KEVIN SMITH AND ARE SCARED TO POST, PUSSY

[Lackey]

I enjoyed Mallrats but it isn't like I've ever re-watched it. Didn't enjoy Dogma, have the same thoughts as Cycle on Chasing Amy, and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back isn't really a movie.

Chalk me up for "apathetic ambivalence"

[Harveyjames]

[Lackey]

I just DID, but the poll is anonymous you fool!
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[Lackey]

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[Harveyjames]

I FORGOT ABOUT THE POLL

[Redeye]

I don't care much for anything he has done.

But I did like the Silent Bob character.

Kevin Smith should have just not done any of that crap he did and instead just made a bunch of Silent Bob adventure films.

Where he's all quiet and shit so nobody notices him and he eavesdrops on people who he is socially invisible to and then uses the information to steal their cars and rob their houses and shit.

Walkin' the earth like Kane in Kung-Fu.
Except crossed with MacGuyver and Repo Man.
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[extrabastardformula]

Clerks was pretty cool, if only because it skipped the theatres mostly and everybody talked about it, so when it came out on video the place i was working rented it out a lot to people that came back angry that the film was in black and white, as if we were pulling a cruel joke by not giving them the real color version.

That was awesome. Also the soundtrack to Clerks was awesome.

Mallrats was garbage though. I eagerly anticipated seeing the television edit, because I love seeing films get mutilated to be made acceptable for American broadcast (best line ever in a movie for me was "Do know what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?") but the edit did nothing fun or witty.

Chasing Amy felt kind of obnoxious, like he had no idea what he was really making the film about.

So, I thought he had one good movie.
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[Winged Assassins (1984)]

I haven't seen enough Kevin Smith™ to properly comment. Should I try to or should I just forget about it, I want to be equally convinced by both parties.
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[Dracko]

Yeah, I like Clerks but the rest is toss. Chasing Amy is pretty offensive too in its depiction of homosexuality!

And his work in comics is even worse! Seriously, DC and Marvel: Don't let outsider film "writers" like Smith and Whedon touch your stuff! They're doing it a disservice!
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[boojiboy7]

I enjoy his movies as stupid comedies. Except Chasing Amy, which was boring, not funny, and yeah, seemed to have a not very good understanding of much.

[simplicio]

kevin smith :: quentin tarantino :: disaffected kids of the '90s

as

diablo cody :: wes anderson :: overaffected kids of the '00s?

by the way, I think I'm the only one in here with you in HATE column.
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-Kurt Schwitters, 1919

[Swimmy]

I refused to see Clerks 2.

Good enough?

Edit: I like Clerks, and to a lesser extent Chasing Amy, the same way I like Final Fantasy VII and Journey. Put that on your line and smoke it!
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-seryogin

[helicopterp]

[Dracko]

[Harveyjames]

GHOST POST

I'm bored of this thread now

GHOST POST

[Dracko]

Don't you have a LiveJournal to dump your crap, Harvey?
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[ryan]

I can't stand his work. They remind me of Dawson's Creek but skewed towards the disaffected crowd.

You ever seen in a sitcom where the supposedly dumb character breaks out into some ridiculous speech that has a few therefores tossed in and the audience cheers because they think they've shown their true brilliance, when it was actually a retarded speech that you want to hit them with a brick for making? Stretch that shit out over 2 hours. Every time.

His An Evening series is pretty good though. His story about Prince was good, as was the producer who wanted Superman to fight polar bears. He also addresses a young lady who was very upset about Chasing Amy, as well as a small army of 'Yeah! Fuck religion!' people about Dogma.
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[dhex]

i've only seen clerks, mallrats and chasing amy. i made my friend turn off dogma.
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[Lasa]

The Clerks cartoon show is the best thing Kevin Smith has ever been involved with.

[SuperWes]

I like his movies!

I like Mallrats best, followed by Chasing Amy, then Clerks and the list goes down to Dogma at dead last.

-Wes
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[Mr Mustache]

Sucks.
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Straight up

[Harveyjames]

[Harveyjames]

[Dracko]

[skonrad]

His movies are pretty mediocre to awful but his Q & A sessions are pretty funny sometimes. For example, the bit about the giant mechanical spider during his Superman movie writing stint.

[Harveyjames]

[ryan]

[Ebrey]

[sediment]

i barely sat through clerks, to be honest, as i found it muy boringoso. my friends at the time were huge kevin smith fans and made me sit through his body of work (this was before jay & silent bob strike back, and clerks 2).

the clerks cartoon (especially... ESPECIALLY the episode where they give the episode to an Asian animation firm) is pretty awesome though. i'm not entirely convinced he was responsible for its writing, however.

voted 'do not like' because he's not vile enough to hate.
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[kirkjerk]

I dig Clerks a lot.

In part, I just like the idea that this big dumb fanboy can make a movie like that, and also fill it with (for the time) pretty decent commentary on some of the big cliches of fandom, like Star Wars.

Mallrats was ok. Chasing Amy has some false notes but also some actual human emotion. Dogma... eh, the whole thing about retconning the Bible into a big Marvel backstory kind of amused me, but it was starting to get pretty stupid with putting the emphasis on Jay and Silent Bob - they really work better as background characters. Jay and Silent Bob Strikes back was the crappiest crap of fan wank winking I'd ever seen... I felt irritated with myself for catching more of the references because of the Jay and Silent Bob comic book, which was pretty decent. Clerks 2... meh, again he's gotten hamfisted as well.

At first I hated the Clerks cartoon, the first episode they had with that goofball courtroom scene - I kind of liked that the main characters DIDN'T have obscene LoonyTune like powers - but it grew on me w/ the boxed set.

So given that I bought the damn boxed set despite not thinking I liked what I had seen on tv... yeah, I guess I'm at least in the "quite like" category, so sue me.

Maybe it's one of those things where if it gets you early at just the right time and place you'll always be a loyalist. I mean, hell, I didn't grow up there but my family has a vacation/retirement house a few towns away from the QuickStop.
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[dhex]

it was definitely a jersey pride thing. we stopped off at the strip where the quick stop was on the way back from a jersey shore hitchhiking trip back in hs. (don't ask)
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[helicopterp]

whoa, why were you doing that?
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[dhex]

high school, man.
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[Cycle]

I watched CLERKS on youtube yesterday! It was, uh, ok I guess?
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[Shapermc]

I really use to like him back when Clerks and Mallrats were new. I still can enjoy those two, only not as much as I use to. I keep watching his movies in hopes that I enjoy any of them like I enjoyed those first two as much as I did when they were new. I honestly find myself enjoying comedies less and less as time goes on.
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"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!"

[Dracko]

[sarsamis]

I liked both Clerks movies and the Clerks animated series quite a bit. Chasing Amy and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back were good enough (I'm not very judgmental when it comes to movies, so that doesn't mean a whole lot). And I didn't think Dogma was very good.

I know I've seen Mallrats, but I can't remember a damn thing about it right now for some reason.

[Scratchmonkey]

[Harveyjames]

[Cycle]

the first spy kids has the guy who played boris in goldeneye

so thats cool
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[kirkjerk]

Random Spy Kids question...
anyone know which soundtrack has this really cool thing with giant fat blatty horns, and a neat little roly poly beat...? One radio station used to use it as filler and I think they mentioned it was from one of those films...
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[Dracko]

[Harveyjames]

Yeah, no, yeah. No. If he's utterly incompetant how has he managed to become such a success, after starting out dirt poor? He was the only cameraman on his first movie, and he kept all the different lenses in the lining of his jacket. Now he's a well known director in Hollywood, with more creative freedom than most directors there have. He can be relied on to make films quickly and cheaply for massive returns! 'Utterly incompetent' directors don't get anywhere like as far as he has.

If you've got a mobile phone with a camera on it and a computer then you've got more equipment than he did at the start of his career, so let's see you make a movie.

[Dracko]

You go on about these things as if they're somehow relevant to talent.

No one fucking cares about how it was oh-so hard for him to make it to the top and his films all fucking blow.
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[Harveyjames]

I'm not talking about talent. Just saying, he can't possibly be 'utterly incompetant' because if he was incompetent he wouldn't be allowed to do the job he does.

Dracko, you get angry and aggressive over stuff that does not matter