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sarsamis · . Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 49

due to other people's froth. (couldn't fit that all in there)

I'm pretty sure everyone has a few.

Mine are:

The entire Phoenix Wright series*
Hotel Dusk*
Okami
Shadow of the Colossus
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune

I honestly don't think I'll ever touch any of those, even though I'm sure there are good times to be had in them. There are probably others as well, but I can't think of them off hand.

* Those also might have to do with the fact that I don't imagine reading copious amounts of text on the DS screen to be at all fun.

dhex · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:33 am Post subject:

the wii
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Cossix · . Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Posts: 87

I can't say I ever get turned off by people being excited about video games. Unless it's a fighting game and that's because I don't care about fighting games.

Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

Oh, man, you're missing on SotC.

Um, I can't think of anything that specifically had turned me off because of froth, but there are certain games that I will ignore no matter how much people are frothing about them. Mostly war/combat sims I can ignore.
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daphaknee · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject:

you're missing out on a lot, tiger

halo, madden and WoW?

but i know those games suck so why bother

SuperWes · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject:

I fucking can't stand it when people judge games based on other people's froth/taste. If there's one thing I hate about this internet circle it's that it's full of people like this. I'm not interested in Madden, but if someone else likes it I'm enthused. If means more people are able to find videogames they like they're more likely to venture outside of just the game they like and actually look at games they might like even better.

The really big annoyance is Halo. For people who like the game it's always for the game's merits, people who don't like the game seem to always attribute it to the marketing and the amount of attention it recieves (not always, but the vast majority of the time this is the case). Who fucking cares? What does this have to do with your enjoyment of the game? If you see a commercial does it suddenly raise your expectations of a game? If this is the case, what the fuck is wrong with you?! Why would you be like, "Mountain Dew has Master Chief? That game must rock!!" Nobody does this, but many haters seem to hate the game based on the assumption that other people think like this. Dumb.

I'll even go as far as to assert that the type of people who judge specific games without playing them are exactly what makes other people judge "games" as a whole without playing them. I went to Video Games Live over the weekend with a non-gamerish friend and something he said really hit home with me. He said, "the funny thing about this room is that everyone here knows more than everyone else here." What he meant is that gamers and anime nerds always seem to be know-it-all twats whose opinions are superior to everyone else's and think that somehow matters.

In conclusion: Ignore Phoenix Wright because you don't want to read endless text on the DS, not because everyone says it's awesome.

-Wes
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daphaknee · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject:

i dont like madden becuasei dont like football i dont like halo becuyase i dont really like first person shooters, and i dont like wow because i like games that end

i had to defend myself!

but yeah wes is right

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sarsamis · . Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 49

Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

Yeah, I don't generally see other people's enthusiasm as a reason not to like something, except when I was 6 and everyone at my school liked the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles so I decided I hated it. Also when I was 15 and everyone loved South Park, but I decided the Simpsons was better and more sophisticated so South Park shunned and its supporters must be shunned.

And Family Guy. man fuck Family Guy right in its ass.

What was the question?

dhex · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject:

Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

I was about to delete that post I made. I realised what I was actually talking about was when my dislike of something is intensified by other people's love of it. This thread is about when people's love of something makes you not want to even try it in the first place, which I can't claim to be party to.

Mr Mustache · . Joined: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 167 Location: Queens

I can understand being annoyed by the praise heaped on Shadow of the Colossus, but it would be silly to avoid such a fantastic game.
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Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

Yeah, it's not like Portal or SotC represent a lowering of standards and a celebration of cheapness and crassness over creativity and craft, and are undeservedly beloved. Those are my reasons for my own hatred of things like Family Guy and Shrek, a hatred which is obviously intensified by the fact that a lot of people like them a lot. It's not a nice way to live your life, I'll admit. Still, I have a reason to be passionate and annoyed by public opinion and trends in animation, since I work in that field, but I can't see why you'd be annoyed by people liking the above games (unless it makes you feel like you're dumb or that you don't get it, in which case BOO HOO, babies).

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Well, see, the "praise" of people who really like something I dislike (for example: football) means, to me, that it's something to really avoid.

Like, I'm never going to go out of my way, or even pay to play a football game. To hear something like "Madden is the BESTEST GODAMN THINGEVER now with WII WAGGLE EVEN!" I might get a little interested because it is trying something new. When the same people who've always loved football games come out and verbally love it, well, then it's probably not so good for the same reasons I don't like the kinds of games they do like.

Another example is that no matter how many people really tell me that a new Radiohead album is AMAZING OMG! i just don't care because I don't like them in the first place, and the more praise I hear about it the more likely I am to become irritated by it and then make a point of how I won't get it.
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Cycle · Mac daddy Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2767

I can tell you I'm pretty damn sick of hearing about Portal!

Like every second post on the INTERNET is about it.

It's doing nothing but FUELING MY NERD RAGE.

Anyway, I used to hate things just based on popularity... in fact, I still do, but I try not to these days. This is because half the time I'll eventually experience whatever it is people have been talking about, and it turns out I also like it.

Of course, by that time it's no longer the cool thing to like, so I don't have to feel guilty about it.
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The Great Unwashed · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject:

I never heard anything about Hotel Dusk but my girlfriend, she loved it and from watching her play it it seemed quite great. I've been turned off from many things, not just games, because people love them so much.

Not just out of spite, but because I genuinely believe that it's healthy to be sceptical and there's definitely a finite point at which when X amount of people enjoy something, it must have a bad side.

It usually doesn't of course, but I guess that's the flaw in what could be generously called my "lifestyle". Eh!
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extrabastardformula · . Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 295

Cycle, because of your burnout on the Portal hype just eating up your activity on this forum i am going to record a nerdcore hiphop song called NERD RAGE and release it under the handle of MC Bison.

Do you see what you've done Cycle?
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Scratchmonkey · . Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 1439

I view it in much the same way that I view indie music snobs disliking bands for "selling out", in that this does actually filter out a bunch of crap; on the other hand, it means that lots of excellent material is rejected out of hand.

Say lah vee.

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dhex · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject:

aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

What is this game, anyway? People keep talking about it, and I'm not tuned in. It's... a first-person shooter of some kind, I gather.
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SuperWes · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:23 am Post subject:

Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

This thread is bringing out the worst in everyone and making us look like a bunch of reactionary dullards.

daphaknee · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:32 am Post subject:

cycle every other one of your posts on the intenret is about portal

that says something

Cycle · Mac daddy Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2767

It says plenty about the amont of HATE it forces through my veins!
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sarsamis · . Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 49

Well, I was either indifferent towards or leaning towards dislike on all the games I listed in my OP. I would have been willing to try them, buts seeing all the froth on forums irritated me and that irritation became synonymous with how I felt about the games. It's not like I'd be that way towards games that seemed really good to me.

I noticed a few people on SB were saying that they couldn't bring themselves to play GOD HAND (I always type it in caps. Don't read that with emphasis or anything.) solely due to the fact that reading about it there made them sick of it.

dhex · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:55 am Post subject:

fish · . Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 113 Location: montreal

anything with a modern day military setting.
ie: call of duty 4.

anything realistic.
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daphaknee · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:17 am Post subject:

i have a problem with realistic games too

i guess thats what happens when nintendo pumps through your veins

ryan · . Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 999

I think I turned a friend off to Jumping Flash! I remember calling him back then, 'Oh man! Okay, so you're a rabbit right? But a robot rabbit! And you get metal carrots! And there are flying whales and cannons and rainbow escalators and - oh man! IT'S AWESOME!'
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dhex · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject:

i woulda asked you to come over and share los drugas, man.

so by "realistic" do we mean simulation games or "realism" as in "EXPLODING GUNS SO REALISTIC THAT YOU'LL PUKE YOUR BALLS OFF?"

i'm sure there are genuinely realistic games out there, but i figure they're all sims of one kind or another. sims are very interesting if you're interested in what's being simulated, to be sure; it's just that they tend to be niche interests and require a lot of work to get into. even the unrealistic simulations are labor-intensive and, at least to me, very daunting. (dwarf fortress comes to mind)
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sediment · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject:

i bear what people say in mind when perusing games i might purchase/rent... but tastes vary, and i do know mine are easily sated.

(this is probably why i'm not a reviewer of games by any stretch of the term, the best i'd pull off is "durr hurr i like vidya games").
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ApM · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject:

Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

Arrrgh, don't even, I just had to delete a whole bunch of MP3s because they were given to me by this girl I'm trying to forget about

aderack · . Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1105 Location: San Francisco

So this game is sort of like Tom Clancy's Elder Scrolls?
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daphaknee · Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:45 am Post subject:

realistic are usually sims and like war games, but sometimes war games are good because they're over the top, which makes them not realistic anymore anyway

dhex · Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:30 am Post subject:

friedchicken · . Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 496 Location: Port Land, OR

I feel like I need to bring up another side of things: there are a bunch of games that I would probably never have bothered with (or maybe even heard about) if not for being pointed toward them by people whose opinions (and taste in games) I trust. And there have been hits and misses, but it's all input.

As for letting peoples' froth over games sway you, I don't know... when it's just 'everyone on the internet' losing their shit over Halo, it's different from having someone you know swearing it's the best game ever.

An example: after years of working with people whose idea of 'gaming' is going to a Nascar race, I finally work somewhere where the majority of my coworkers actually enjoy video games. BUT I had a 45 minute conversation with a new guy there who swore to me that some Xbox 360 football game (don't recall which, but it was NOT Madden, which he said he hates) was the best game on the console, and I was being foolish for not buying it. So I'm like: "dude, I don't even like real life football. I don't know the rules, I can't match but maybe 6 teams up to the cities they represent, I have no interest." But it was in vain-- he went on and on until the boss walked by about it, and it became clear that he just wanted to talk about this football game he loves. My point is that I think this is what 90% of Internet Froth is ultimately all about.

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SuperWes · Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject:

Team Fortress 2 is one of those games that fits the opposite category in a way for me. For a few months the guys at work switched from Halo 2 to the Team Fortress mod for Wolfenstein Enemy Territory. I tried it a few times and despised it with a passion every time.

So when Team Fortress 2 was announced as part of the Orange Box I was mostly indifferent. Then, when the beta and videos and everything started surfacing and people started talking about how great it was I figured it might be something I would like. Then it came out and I found out that I despise it for pretty much the same reasons that I despised the version they were playing at work. Oh well! At least I got Portal out of it!

-Wes
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helicopterp · . Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 1435 Location: Philadelphia

Wes, why do you despise it?
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