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Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

Man, Team Fortress is balls all like Goldeneye. That's like comparing a shoe to a dishwasher.

Cycle · Mac daddy Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2767

dessgeega · Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject:

helicopterp · . Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 1435 Location: Philadelphia

Cycle · Mac daddy Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2767

I mean Perfect Dark has some ridiculous weapons (like that one that can shoot through walls) that made the game unbalanced and not suited for serious play. It was great with drunk friends, but if we wanted to get serious, we played GE.

And I'm a serious man.
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Cycle · Mac daddy Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2767

dhex · Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:24 am Post subject:

to be fair, he didn't know you all married goldeneye in a polyamorous communal handfasting sometime back in '98.
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Cycle · Mac daddy Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2767

You aren't getting a christmas card this year.
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dhex · Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:25 am Post subject:

don't you mean solstice card?
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Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

You're not getting either :P

dhex · Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:51 am Post subject:

honestly i've always thought cards were overblown. especially those joints where they have the family dog wearing a holiday-contextual sweater.
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Crazy Bacon Lips · . Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 88 Location: Ol' Virginny

By publicly Top XX Lists, we are in some ways promoting, or at least advertising, their existence. It is a hard thing to do, but sometimes I must pretend that Top XX Lists - video game or otherwise - aren't there.

holiday-contextual sweater

Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

I'm not opposed to them! They provoke discussion and that's never a bad thing.

Crazy Bacon Lips · . Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 88 Location: Ol' Virginny

Oh, well okay then.

holiday-contextual sweater.

ApM · Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject:

Hey you guys I bought Goldeneye last night because of this thread.

I was at my local used bookstore that has no idea how to price videogames, and it was $7. At first I was like, "Man, $7?" because $7 is about as expensive as they price N64 games, but then I realized that I'd paid $7 for Earthworm Jim 3D, and clearly Goldeneye deserves my $7 much more than THAT piece of shit.

Six · . Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 313 Location: montreal

Cycle · Mac daddy Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2767

Yeah, it's terrible. It's on gametap.
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dessgeega · Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject:

so the first thirty entries in bob fearon's response to edge's list (which solicited votes from the indie and remakes communities) have been posted. i'm not sure i agree that another top one hundred list is a valuable response to a top one hundred list, but this one's a lot more interesting than edge's.
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kirkjerk · . Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1227

On the topic of Top 100 lists: I used to be unduly fascinated by these. I think it started with EGM's 1997 "Top 100" list which had very good formula for entry:
"The Game", one or two line summary
"It made the list because"
"Coolest part"
"Did you know"/"Remember when"/"Wasn't it funny how", trivia/tidbit

The argumentative fanboy in me got curious about what system and years had the best representation in the top 100 games, so I typed in all the data and wrote a little script, output tables here:

http://kisrael.com/vgames/powerlist/egm100.html

When they came out with a new list in 2002, something deep in my geekbrain got triggered, and I wanted to see how games faired over time:

http://kisrael.com/vgames/powerlist/egm100.2002.html

I found it interesting how Ms. Pac-Man climbed from 89 to 41,
Final Fantasy plummeted from 21 to 91, and how Soul Calibur was, by process of elimination, the "best" game released between 1997 and 2002.

I finally went totally nuts, then, and put Game Informer's 2001 list and IGN's 2003 and 2005 list. I think the hardest part was normalizing the lists so they all used the same name for the same game.

http://kisrael.com/vgames/powerlist/

(I probably should have abstracted that further, calling Tetris Attack the same thing as Pokemon Puzzle League for purposes of ranking.)
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kirkjerk · . Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1227

I guess we all have our particular gripes and games we'll always champion:

ApM · Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject:

Woah, a 3DO game made the list in 1997?

dessgeega · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:42 am Post subject:

the second third-or-so of the remakes 100 have been posted. it's pretty ludicrous how much better this list is, even if question the value of ranking games like this in general. for shame, edge. for shame.
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dessgeega · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:24 am Post subject:

and the top ten.

it's pretty interesting the ways in which edge's and remakes's lists overlap and completely diverge.
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Cycle · Mac daddy Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2767

half of that top ten is shit!
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dessgeega · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:20 am Post subject:

yes. the half that overlaps edge's!
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Cycle · Mac daddy Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2767

ye.. yes!
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Dracko · . Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 2613

Square, redundant FPS and RTS mentions, Nintendo, oldschool and mainstream indie cred.

Yeah, screw top 10 lists.
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dessgeega · Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:48 am Post subject:

so derek yu's compiled a list of 50 indie games. it's an unranked list - not a "top 50 indie games" but rather an attempt to maybe provide a starting point for someone interested in independent games by providing a diverse list of games along with brief descriptions of what's notable about them.

i was happy to see the inclusion of adam cadre's varicella, emily short's galatea, crawl, and nikujin. the shivah's there too.

i appreciate this more than any attempt to rank games, as though all games could be measured on the same scale. what would even be the point of ranking independent games other than to be divisive? by the way, tim w's cage match series is the dumbest fucking thing in the world. i am saying that here because i know he lurks on this forum sometimes. tim, i am challenging you to take responsibility and stop running these stupid things. if you truly love independent gaming, you will realize that what i say is true and do what is appropriate. i believe you have it within you to do this thing.
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dessgeega · Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject:

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Crazy Bacon Lips · . Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 88 Location: Ol' Virginny

Crazy Bacon Lips · . Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 88 Location: Ol' Virginny

I really want to play Frontier and Privateer. They both seemed pretty cool. Again, I couldn't figure out how to go anywhere.

dessgeega · Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject:

i think a good general rule of game design is to make sure the player is given a goal at the beginning of the game. it doesn't have to be the ultimate goal, but it does need to give the player some sort of direction. the simplest effective example i can think of is super mario bros.: mario starts on the left side of the screen, facing right.
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Scratchmonkey · . Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 1439

The whole "landing the ship" thing makes me think of Lunar Lander. Initially I thought it was the most boring game ever because duh, edutainment and NOBODY GETS SHOT.

Once I got past the initial disconnect, it became one of my favorite games.

helicopterp · . Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 1435 Location: Philadelphia

helicopterp · . Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 1435 Location: Philadelphia

SuperWes · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject:

So apparently this 100 games thingy isn't just a list on Next-Gen. It's a book! A magazineesque book! And I bought it over the weekend for $12.50. Not too shabby. Unlike the list on Next-Gen, which gets many of the descriptions wrong, the book actually goes into swell detail about why these games are noteworthy. Not too shabby. A lot of these decisions kind of make sense after reading it. Their Resident Evil 4 writeup, for example, explains how it's great because it celebrates the fact that it's a game. It almost sounds like something you'd read about here. Good shizzle for rizzle my nizzle.

-Wes
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SuperWes · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject:

Scratchmonkey · . Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 1439

It's a special edition of Edge magazine. They do quite a lot of them. I've heard their Retro collections are really good.

kirkjerk · . Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1227

Where do you get them in the USA?
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Scratchmonkey · . Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 1439

It's pretty hit or miss. Barnes and Nobles and Borders will often have them, so if you're in an area that has a few, you could call around.

SuperWes · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject:

Yeah, the Borders in the middle of St. Louis has it right there on the Magazine rack (next to a few other odd Euro-magazines), but most don't. It just depends on the area I think.

-Wes
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kirkjerk · . Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1227

I work a block from the Boston Backbay Borders.
So it's in the euro section of magazines, not with other gamer magazines or something?
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helicopterp · . Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 1435 Location: Philadelphia

I have found them at five different Borderses in Georgia and one in Philadelphia. They are with the videogame magazines. So are their retro collections, called File.
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