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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of curosity, what constitutes as significantly faster for this game? Everything is pretty much instant anyways.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently there's no way to install X11 on Tiger without the disc, and I sent mine to my dad, so... yeah. All i've got is the SDK package.

Thanks, though! I just need to get that disc back somehow!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Out of curosity, what constitutes as significantly faster for this game?


it responds to keypresses much faster; this is weighed out by the fact that the mac keypress buffer seems slower. (i.e. holding down the arrow key takes longer and doesn't process as quickly, though i have no idea why this would be)

but yeah, it's already fast. dunno why it would move faster, though.

edit: twice now i've gotten a starting level that had no exit, no secret doors, no nothing. both times i was playing as a chaos knight (minotaur and demonspawn).

whu?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dark steve wrote:
Apparently there's no way to install X11 on Tiger without the disc, and I sent mine to my dad, so... yeah. All i've got is the SDK package.

Thanks, though! I just need to get that disc back somehow!


What? That's really odd, that install package from the Apple site should do it.

Also dhex, what model of laptop does your wife have?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That download is listed for up to 10.3.9 and is version 1.0. Apparently the Tiger version is 1.1? The 1.0 installer tells me I have a later version, and the 1.1.3 updater says I don't have the right software, so yeah?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay yeah that's pretty dumb. All the links on other sites that talk about X11 link to a page that isn't available any more. When I get home I'll try to dig out my Tiger DVD and upload the package.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://magical-girl.com/crawlosx/X11User.pkg.zip

Try that, it was on my machine here at work and I hope it's what you need.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get installation errors. I guess it needs files from the disc? The space required is 90mb, so hmm.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought that package was too small.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also dhex, what model of laptop does your wife have?


she has a g4 ibook, 12". seems run real good on that.

i'm using a g4 desktop at work, where it seemed faster.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another silly question!

How do you zap yourself with the wand? I sometimes find a wand of might or some other benefit and wish to hit myself with it. I've yet to figure out how.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

z, then -, then [enter]

I was reading a guys morgue file who killed 181 yaktars. Holy hell!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also dhex, what model of laptop does your wife have?


she has a g4 ibook, 12". seems run real good on that.

i'm using a g4 desktop at work, where it seemed faster.


Your G4 desktop has a real video card that blows the G4 iBook out of the water. You wouldn't think this would matter, but since X11 has to run on top of Aqua in OS X it can get lagged down by a slower video card or less ram.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool. mystery solved.

also, i hate cheap deaths - where you open a door and there's 13 dudes in there, half of whom turn invisible immediately.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOTHING CAN STOP ME NOW


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

real or fake, that's awesome.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But would go better with the giant chesscock that Shaper found.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhex wrote:
real or fake, that's awesome.


It's real! I started hacking on the source.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you need to change "left hand" to "left nut"
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was going to add "cock" as the third place to put a ring.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nana Komatsu wrote:
I was going to add "cock" as the third place to put a ring.


I'm impressed by your first foray into game development.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, that makes more sense.

so uh, has anyone actually beaten this? i got to level 12 once.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister Toups wrote:
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I was going to add "cock" as the third place to put a ring.


I'm impressed by your first foray into game development.


I've actually made games before. I just really have no interest in pursuing it now.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jumping on the Crawl bandwagon- the tile version really makes this so much less intimidating than all the other roguelikes out there! I still had to print out all the keyboard commands, though.

My first foray into the dungeon saw my level 2 High Elf Fighter getting killed by a mob of gnolls after ascending back to the first level to explore it fully.

This could be the start of something wonderful.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

orc conga line worked out after all (there were 22 of the fuckers, as far as i could count).

two hydras and a few hill giants, however, wore me down a few levels later.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What were you playing as?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hill dwarf fighter.

had a ring of see invisible which was nice, cause i had a floor with six unseen horrors (which, when you can see them, are total punks). the next floor had nothing but trolls and ogres.

i get the feeling the game isn't as random as it seems - i.e. as a troll there's always tons of plate armor; you never seem to get what you need, but a lot of what you cannot use in that particular class/race.

edit: my best run yet (nearly two hours) before dying of stupid:

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Dungeon Crawl 400b26e070tf(Windows/Tile) character file.
[Last build Dec 23 2005]


dhex the Cudgeler

Race     : Mountain Dwarf   Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : . 
Class    : Fighter          Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : . 
Worship  : No God           Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : . 
                            Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : . 
Level           12          Res.Elec. : .       Gourmand   : + 
Exp          28326
Next Level   37699          Sust.Abil.: .       Rnd.Telep. : . 
Exp Needed    9373          Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: . 
Spls.Left       11          Res.Slow  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: . 
Gold            84          Clarity   : .       Levitation : . 
                                                Ctrl.Flight: . 
HP       : 105/105
MP       :  15/ 15          Weapon +2,+1 orc spiked flail
Str      :  25              Armour +0 orc plate mail
Int      :   0 ( 6)         Shield +1 shield (protect)
Dex      :  12              Helmet +1 visored helmet
Armour Cl:  23              Cloak  +0 cloak
Evasion  :   8              Gloves +0 pair of elf gloves
Shield Cl:   8              Boots  +0 pair of boots
                            Amulet amulet of the gourmand
Play time  :   01:44:40     Ring   ring of regeneration
Turns      :      17096     Ring   +0,+6 ring of slaying


You are on level 14.
You are full.


  Inventory:
Hand weapons
 a - a +1,+0 elven dagger
 c - a +0,+1 dagger
+V - a +2,+1 orcish spiked flail (weapon)
Armour
+v - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
+x - a +0 orcish plate mail (worn)
+C - a +0 pair of elven gloves (worn)
+D - a +1 shield of protection (worn)
+I - a +1 visored helmet (worn)
+W - a +0 cloak (worn)
Magical devices
 i - a wand of polymorph other (6)
 j - a wand of slowing (6)
 B - a wand of flame (8)
 E - a wand of confusion (3)
 L - a wand of enslavement (7)
Comestibles
 d - 9 bread rations
 k - 17 honeycombs
 n - 8 meat rations
 o - an apple
 s - 13 strawberries
 y - a banana
Scrolls
 z - a scroll of remove curse
Jewellery
 b - a ring of levitation
 e - a ring of ice
 f - a ring of life protection
+q - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck)
 u - a +5 ring of dexterity
+A - a ring of regeneration (right hand)
 G - a ring of fire
 H - a ring of protection from fire
+O - a +0,+6 ring of slaying (left hand)
Potions
 t - 3 potions of restore abilities
 w - a potion of invisibility
 M - a potion of might
 P - 3 potions of heal wounds


 You have 44 experience left.

   Skills:
 + Level 10 Fighting
 - Level  3 Short Blades
 + Level 14 Maces & Flails
 + Level  6 Throwing
 + Level 11 Armour
 + Level  9 Shields
 + Level  4 Evocations


You have 11 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.


  Last messages:
> A hostile presence attacks your mind!
> You get a splitting headache.
> You are more confused.
> A hostile presence attacks your mind!
> You feel uncomfortable.
> A hostile presence attacks your mind!
> You feel completely lost.
> You are more confused.
> A hostile presence attacks your mind!
> You feel completely lost.
> You are more confused.
> A hostile presence attacks your mind!
> You seem to have forgotten something, but you can't remember what it was!
> As you read the scroll, it crumbles to dust.
> You hear a very strange noise.
> A hostile presence attacks your mind!
> You feel dopey.
> You have damaged your brain!
> You are more confused.
> You die...



             ..........         
            ..........#.#       
           .............##.     
          .................     
         #..................     
         #.....8............     
         #.............#         
         #?............#         
         #......@......#         
         #.............#         
        #................       
         ..............#.       
         ...............         
          ......##.#####         
           ####. #..             
               .  .##           
              ##  .             


  Vanquished Creatures
A minotaur (Lab)
The ghost of dhex the Dodger, an experienced Tr Be (D:10)
3 hill giants
An unseen horror (D:13)
A guardian naga (D:9)
2 wolf spiders
4 slime creatures (D:13)
The ghost of dhex the Ruffian, an experienced Tr Fi (D:6)
2 giant brown frogs
2 cyclopes
A queen bee (D:9)
A troll (D:12)
An ettin (D:14)
Donald (D:12)
5 hippogriffs
A two-headed ogre (D:10)
17 yaks
A hungry ghost (D:14)
A giant blowfly (D:13)
A manticore (D:14)
A mottled dragon (D:14)
4 ogres
A phantom (D:10)
11 big kobolds
5 ice beasts
3 gila monsters
5 centaurs
8 giant frogs
Sigmund (D:5)
Blork the orc (D:5)
9 orc warriors
2 brown snakes
An eye of draining (D:12)
53 killer bees
2 earth elementals (D:13)
6 imps
6 hounds
A giant brown frog zombie (D:14)
4 giant beetles
9 orc wizards
3 orc priests
6 giant ants
3 shadows
3 giant iguanas
3 scorpions
2 jellies
10 gnolls
A giant centipede (D:13)
14 snakes
4 worms
10 green rats
A mummy (D:10)
A giant frog zombie (D:12)
A butterfly (D:14)
2 giant eyeballs
18 giant bats
2 giant cockroaches
2 giant geckos
15 hobgoblins
11 jackals
37 orcs
3 quokkas (D:10)
15 rats
2 small snakes (D:8)
A giant centipede zombie (D:13)
3 giant newts
A giant spore (D:11)
19 goblins
A hobgoblin zombie (D:5)
3 killer bee larvae (D:10)
33 kobolds
A kobold zombie (D:5)
2 orc zombies
A snake zombie (D:6)
A plant (D:12)

 416 creatures vanquished.



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reminds me of Gregory Horror Show

dhex wrote:

> A hostile presence attacks your mind!
> You get a splitting headache.
> You are more confused.
> A hostile presence attacks your mind!
> You feel tired.
> A hostile presence attacks your mind!
> Lost-Doll is chasing you.
> You feel completely lost.
> You escape Lost-Doll
> You are developing Night blindness.
> Use Eye-drops.
> A hostile presence attacks your mind!
> You hear Nurse Catherine coming
> Run. She chases you
> Time for a Blood test! Ohhhhh!.
You went mad and are trapped in Gregory House for the rest of Eternity.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YASD! Protip: Greed Kills

So, I decided to clear out the orcish mines. After getting lost returning to the first floor I found a shop where I bought a nice shiny +1 platemail suit of armor. After getting out of the shop and identifying the item I was suddenly swarmed by orcs.

They came from the north west. At first I removed my helmet and they came from the blackness of an unidentified area. Then I removed my cloak and they shouted and moved in. Then I removed my original armor and they were on me. With about 1/3 of my hitpoints left I read scroll of teleportation. I was so surrounded at that point that I was dead before even my next turn, let alone getting the opertunity to actually teleport.

The rankings told me that this was my best game ever.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote







there's a lesson in here somewhere, i'm sure.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pretty things hurt.

i love it when you die and you find out you had a +7 mace of superkickass that automatically wins the game for you if you equip it.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhex wrote:
i love it when you die and you find out you had a +7 mace of superkickass that automatically wins the game for you if you equip it.

Dude, tell me about it. That first really awesome run I had included a ton of stuff in my invintory that I just didn't get enough identify scrolls to figure them out. I could have easily made it another hour or two on that first one.

Also, Dess, that robe is exceptionally hilarious.
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i've been playing assassins. as an assassin you spend most of your time sneaking up on monsters and stabbing them before they can see you. most things will die in a single blow from this. it's wonderfully tense, though, because there's always the chance your stealth will fail when you're inches away from an opponent and it will start wailing on you.

i play naga assassins, who are one of the stealthiest races in the game because they don't produce footsteps. they're slower than most races, though, so if an enemy spots you it can be hard to run away. the idea is that you don't give your opponent time to react. if an enemy spots you before you can get close you're given a blowgun and poison darts, but nagas can spit poison, which is good at both short and close range. they're immune to poison too, and, as an added bonus, see invisible.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been playing demonspawn chaos knights, just for the sheer shits and giggles of it. I've been having ridiculously bad luck in terms of starting situations, so I'm going through characters like nobody's business.

Some recent examples:

- I appear on level one in the middle of the room with 4 monsters also in the room, each in a different cardinal direction. They gang up on me and I die.

- I appear on level one and go around a corner only to run into a gnoll with a flail, who takes off all except 2 of my HP. I turn to run away and run into another gnoll. I die.

- On level two, with only my original food ration, I'm attacked by a monster that makes me hungry when it hits me. After eating my ration, I finally kill the monster, only I'm starving and at low HP. An orc then runs into the room as I'm attempting to rest, I kill him and he leaves a corpse for me to eat. Which poisons me. I die.
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You're playing as a follow of Xom I hope?
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Actually, mostly Maklheb[sp]. Thematically, it really should be Xom.
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I got my wife to start playing crawl...

what have I done?!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so what are the elven halls?

i just wiped out the orc mines. i have the bestest axe ever (+6,+6 and makes me stealthy at the cost of 3 int, which for a warrior is ok so long as i run away from statues...right?)

edit: oh, the elven halls are where i die. gotcha.

it's basically impossible to win this game as a straight fighter, right?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

15 minute roguelikes are for wussies (Toups) and people who actually know what they're doing (Dessgeega).

For everyone else, there's the 15 second roguelike, Berserk.

I think getting past Day 5 is impossible. Hell, getting past Day 2 is impossible unless you have points into Dexterity.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

confession: i don't think i can play games with ascii characters. they're too fucking ugly.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhex wrote:
confession: i don't think i can play games with ascii characters. they're too fucking ugly.


You are not the only one. It is why every hardcore roguelike has turned me off until this one.

I need pretty pixels since television has rotted away my imagination.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I'm with you two. Even durring the time of heavy ASCII art in PC games I was only playing the ones which used graphics (even really poor graphics). Though, when I was a kid I did program a ascii game onto my apple ][.

Also, dhex, about the elven halls: I would recommend clearing out the Orcish Mines then attempting to take on the halls. I need to get some more time to play, but so far the few times I have made it out of the mines and then past level 10 I have yet to make it past level 11 without some kind of crazy luck (demonic chaos knight of xom). I'm thinking that a fighter just needs to kill everything he can for as long as he can.

Yup, level grinding. If I am still having some problems getting past level 11 or so I may try some other characters, or just reading more spoilers.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dude, i totally wiped out the orc mines. and i killed a fuckload of deep elf magicians too, but then one just plain set my ass on fire.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were you changing?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

changing? you mean mutating? not that i can think of.

http://dhex.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=40#40

my death file is there.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like that dhex's best character is exactly the same as my best character in this game. An axe wielding Mountain Dwarf.

I've yet to finish the Orc Mines, however. Do you guys just go straight in there or do you level up to a particular level before you try to go in there and fight it? My best effort at hacking away has been to lure them towards the stairs and try to slay them one at a time by going up and down and drawing the enemies out.

I lose to the army of Wizards that always seem to be sitting in the first room of the (very open spaced)) mines since they can cast something before I can even march and slay any of them.

I've tried worshipping other Gods to see if I can satisfy any requirements for aid, but no matter how much I sacrifice and pray to the Gods, they always remain neutral. Except for Xom, he is generally very kind to me on the big runs (obviously).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am all for command lines and ascii, but with something as complex as crawl I have enough trouble remembering what the key to dissect a corpse is, let alone if that @ coming my way is an enemy or an item.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

being able to instantly know an imp picked up a spear, etc, is tremendously helpful.

i wish someone would make tiles for the doom roguelike. that seems like fun.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

derek yu is actually working on just that.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zog bless derek yu.

cause the concept is awesome, but i can't wrap my head around ascii. shoulda never done so badly in algebra.

edit: i really get the feeling dungeon crawl hates me sometimes. roll a new character, step down a corridor right after starting and bam, four gnolls.
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