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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get it?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pardon me while I wipe the dust off this ol' thing, here. I'm not quite ready to play the refugee part in full -- figure I'm gonna update my profile, and then wander homeless for a month or two.

I'll miss the black, and won't miss walking around wearing a green target.

Edit: Oh sure, wink. Post before me. Your amazing Chinaman speed has bested me yet again.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Psiga you joined a whole day before me.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys. Is this where all the cool people are ending up?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I'm guessing someone probably hit it with a DoS attack, since it looks like the whole site, and not just the forum. The question is if someone from 4chan did it, or if icyclam flipped out and did it himself...

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hot Stott Bot wrote:
Yeah, I'm guessing someone probably hit it with a DoS attack, since it looks like the whole site, and not just the forum. The question is if someone from 4chan did it, or if icyclam flipped out and did it himself...


I was wondering myself if icy was the one who called in the "airstrike", but that's just conspiratorial rumblings that have no basis in fact... yet.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gutomatic wrote:
sup guys

I'm loolapaloozer from IC.

Yeah, 4chan killed it it seems. Well.

Getting drunk in this thread!


Yeah, I'm pouring myself a nice tall LAND OF THE RISING ORANGE right now...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Shaper. Thank you for taking us in. I am frightened.

The only beer in this place that I am at is Corona Light, so I am not having a good time.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can attest, as someone who posted there seriously for a year, there is no forum on the intarwebs that needs a /b/ invasion more than this one.


icyclam?!?!??


Seriously.

Ugh.

That's what it sounds like to me.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi. Um, long time reader, first time poster.Sorry I'm part of the flood, but I'll respect the atmosphere here (I was one of the 'serious' posters on IC anyhow).

EDIT: oh hey I see some people who left IC because the S/N was low, not due to the regime change.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have this beautiful image of a bunch of refugees walking through the rain, bleeding, all torn up from an epic struggle on the streets of a huge metropolis going sour, that suddenly ended with a third world country taking the opportunity to launch a massive bombing campaign, and now they're arriving at a nice warm camp in Canada, being greeted with lots of hard liquor and beer!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really wasn't done watching the train wreck though.

About the /b/ thing, I had heard about such attacks occurring, but looking at that thread is a very very bizarre thing to me. It's so organized, everyone's so eager, and they barely needed a reason. It's actually very frightening.

Also, I am wondering how exactly it works that a php database is overloaded by such a mass spamming.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so, TGQer's, help me here

do you have game weeks, drunk threads and something like that or not?

Just want to know what is safe enough to post.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn, now my forum is under internest attack

I'll be right back, I suppose.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, this is a new turn of events.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aw
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dessgeega wrote:
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moldy kitchen sinks.


That's disgusting, Dess. Honestly.


:(


It could be worse. You could have bathtub ring.








I love the banners here, guys. You should have a list somewhere identifying all of the graphics and art involved in each, though.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I love the banners here, guys. You should have a list somewhere identifying all of the graphics and art involved in each, though.


we do.

also, my sink isn't moldy any more! if you had read the relevant thread you would know this.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never really known Brandon, but I had plenty of assumptions about him being, you know, normal, level-headed, capable in various regular sorts of ways. Today's events completely devastated that view. I have never been so shocked and disappointed by someone's immediately apparant failings in social intuition (to put it mildly), short-sightedness, ignorance of DEATHLY IRONY, poor judge of character, and lack of respect for human life.

Really. Wow.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



It's almost poetic.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm... so I guess icyclam is still admin, and probably locked all the forums as soon as he was able, or amid the 4chan bombing, or somesuch...

Well then...

I can at least see what I missed in the last few minutes!

I'm pretty sure Brandon went to bed a while ago, so I'm wondering what's going to happen when he wakes up.

If someone wants to crawl a few of the "epic posts" and make sure to save them to their hard drive for Brandon, in case something happens and no one is able to express the sheer insanity of the evening, that would probably be very smart of you.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hot Stott Bot wrote:
If someone wants to crawl a few of the "epic posts" and make sure to save them to their hard drive for Brandon, in case something happens, that would probably be very smart of you.

Someone needs to save this thread: http://forums.insertcredit.com/viewtopic.php?t=3656
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think icyclam deleted the silly poll I posted asking whether or not people thought he was trying to silence me.

Which is doubly hilarious because didn't he say somewhere that he WOULDN'T DELETE THREADS, he would JUST LOCK THEM so the IDIOCY OF THE THREAD CREATOR would SHINE FORTH in a display of SOMETHING?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys just a heads up sort of question. What's the policy on quick question threads? You know where I would ask for advice on random stuff and it would be over in about 10 posts?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He has a good point

EDIT: Harvey does.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Psiga wrote:
I'll be taking the lead of the established posters.


ahaha
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sup guys I am a big whig here ok
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh man i didn't realize he deserted us for a lady that is really low
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sexism is a part of IC that I don't particularly miss
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh god we are like pathetic lost little doggies
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, yeah, whatever... the admin should probably do his job and delete it then.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am wondering, my fellows, is there anything in a forum that you would like that you felt IC lacked?


honestly, i liked IC a lot, but the hostilities that existed (even though i had nothing to do with any of it) really brought things down at times. and most of it usually seemed pretty pointless.

i mean, that's not really a suggestion; more of an observation.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking more concrete things. Also, we could build a community free of such hostilities by remembering the past and being more conscious about how we speak to one another.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dongle wrote:
plus, you know, it's therapeutic to have a place where you can post things that you only half mean and know are half wrong.

Don't Press Start? Like the Faxe with more pomp and circumstance.

It's impressive that IC went into total thermonuclear 4chan 7chan kiddie pr0n and dead bodies D.O.S. meltdown in half a day. From "here's your new manager" to "call the Feds!" in about twelve hours. A couple hours more and the whole thing was unplugged from life support, eh?

Who knows where it'll go from here, but as of this moment it seems like a fitting way to self-destruct the ol' club house. Equal parts wild-eyed and pompous, wretchedly crass and slyly classy, stupid and yet thoroughly effective. People whose opinions were often deeply opposed were finally agreeing -- agreeing that this was the worst idea in insert credit history.

And now I laugh at myself for thinking that only a few people would leave. I was wrong this day, yes I was.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, yeah...

So, um, wow.

Let me sort this out. While I was just out doing a bunch of stuff today, a large portion of which was playing games in some form or another, IC had an internet explosion and I got the copies of TGQ I ordered a long time ago in the mail.

I don't know what to think of all of this.

I certainly will miss IC if it is gone forever. Hell, my whole Master's thesis (pending approval) was birthed out of my thoughts from that Silent Hill thread where I wrote way too long responses to a guy who didn't really want to read them anyways. So (granted, not in the large way it has for Rud13), I guess IC changed me to some extent. It made me think a lot more about a hobby I have had since I was a kid. And it made me write a thing about Mega Man 2 and Metal Man.

Well, at least I have a bunch of stuff to read in the interim whilst things do whatever they are doing. Thanks, Shaper.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chompers po pable wrote:
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Can't blame him after all this, though.


after what, his negligence? incompetence?


p.s. i missed the apparent "drama" as i was at work, if that's what you're referring to, toups, so.

edit)) and i don't do 4chan either, so yeah.

honestly, as much as it sucks that the ic forums "as we knew them" are "gone," the whole dissolution process is ironically fitting for ic. contradictory, ironic, and, well, entertaining.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, it's hard to believe that a sight I read and a forum I participated in for, what, three years, may be gone forever. I mean, the games I found out about, the intelligent conversations, learning to write more than is needed especially when most of it has little to do with the topic at hand (actually that's only half true, Insert Credit just convinced me to write until I had nothing less to say if I wanted to, stuff word limits), and, despite my not posting much at all, the general atmosphere of the community.

I sort of feel bad being on the people who, you know, helped 'revolt' against icyclam, because it eventually lead to that 4chan bullshit.

Still. I will miss you Insert Credit forums. And, even more if it dies, Insert Credit.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can someone pass me a copy of the rules thread icy made?
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internisus wrote:
Hey guys could you please take a look at http://www.dreamhost.com/hosting.html and tell me what you think of the most basic hosting package there? 200 GB storage and 2 TB / mo bandwidth. Is that good enough, do you think? What did insertcredit require, anyway?

It will take me a brief time to come up with the startup $$$, but hopefully not long. In the meantime, we can discuss planning and goals for the site as well as the forums.

Are you with me?


Use the promo code TIMROGERS and you get $97 off the first year. That's $33 for a year of hosting which is pretty good. If neo-IC outgrows this, you're only out $33.

Dreamhost is good, I use Dreamhost, so does Anna, and I set Tim Rogers up with it too. People complain that dreamhost can't handle big sites, but you need to have a lot of uniques before that becomes a problem and I doubt IC would hit that number.

Also, now I have to stop posting here again ;_;
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sup Tim.

I am very sad it went like this. I left the filth there because I wanted people to see the kind of hatred we were going up against.

I hope IC doesn't get into any legal trouble because of this.

If that can be avoided, then things will of course work out eventually.



sure, leaving dirty evidence lying around is a great way to get the message across to the embarassed forum members and the federal government alike YOU MORON
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

108 wrote:
i have determined who started the 4chan thread

it would be kind of mean to call him out


lol let's make him the new mod


.... too soon?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

extralife wrote:
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For perspective the day after the PS3 launch I sat on Tim's couch and he was checking his email and there was one from Brandon that said "FINAL FORUMS SOLUTION". It talked about demoding everyone and making icyclam a mod. It sounded so completely insane that I dismissed it. It also stated that DON'T SHOW THIS EMAIL TO ANYONE.


You may have a future in journalism after all!! Just three more stamps on your RumorMonger Mart membership card and you can get an internship at a city newspaper!!

Thanks for reading my email thoroughly from start to finish when, under normal circumstances, it would be considered most polite to just look away and honor someone's privacy!!

Double thanks for bringing it up in a public discussion!!

You're going to make a terrific father someday!!


Man, don't talk about privacy. Considering this particular email was about how a completely non-active member of the forum was telling another member of the forum that might as well be a troll were he not so damn smart about it how he was going to go about destroying something that many, many others had an emotional investment in, well, fuck. There's your "respecting privacy" right there.


I can understand your emotional investment, and I can offer you my condolences, if you'd like, in a later reply.

Either way, Brandon has an emotional investment as well. It is indeed his website. He enjoyed it enough to work on it so hard he was able to get a job in videogame journalism. It is indeed his website. If there's something he doesn't like about it, he's entitled to change it. What you're perhaps missing is that this might be evidence of his commitment to turning his attention back to the site. To trying something else with it. We've just about finished implementing the PHP interface we're wanted to implement for years now. It's going to actually go up in a matter of days. insertcredit.com 2.0, it shall be called. Many things will change.

I own a computer for the first time in my life, for example. I was thinking of doing podcasts and other things.

Et cetera.

Putting icyclam in charge was, perhaps, yes, in a way, meant to scare off any people who would be scared off. the types of people to not sit up and listen. the types of people who wouldn't wonder what was happening. the types of people lacking in the courtesy it takes to offer someone you don't think you liked a second chance. If you had any "emotional investment" in a forum where people are often congratulated for being socially inept or generally jealous or spiteful, well, maybe you need to move your money to something else.

Also! I do believe icyclam wouldn't have minded it if you'd all have continued talking about videogames and whatever general things you talk about!! I know you all don't like being told what to do, and that's quite alright. You who overreacted: your overreactions are merely evidence of your disease.

Welcome to the club: we're all dying, here.

also, allow me to state once again that it was not icyclam who hacked / paid someone to hack the forums last time.
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I don't much care for your drama export.
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Sup Wilkes
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Okay, bye bye.
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stotelheim wrote:

Also, guys. This is me saying my goodbyes, in case no new Insert Credit Hub springs up, and we all go our separate ways.


stotelheim can you answer me a question? isn't stotelheim the name Toups used on hell. If so, what was your name on hell?
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Hey stotelheim thanks again for helping me beat General Raam on Insane mode.
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And dalenixon, we should play again! I really like the way your voice sounds, and there's a lot of the game left that we haven't played together! Come on man, let's do a thing![/quote]
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can everyone stop bickering? We don't need to be assigning blame and instead we need to ask ourselves what the problem was. And no, saying that "Brandon is an idiot" isn't going to cut it.

I've got to go pick up a bed for my room. As someone who spent half of last night having people yell at me on IRC and the other half trying to explain all of this to Brandon, I'd like to see the discussion move in a more constructive direction.

For starters: if you really think that Brandon is entirely to blame for this, I have nothing else to say but you are wrong. Yes, making Icy an admin was a terrible idea, and I think Brandon realizes that this is true if for no other reason than the fact that the entire community was predisposed against him to start with. He could've behaved MUCH better than he did and still gotten the same amount of shit from people because he's Icy. I would've liked for him to take the high road but I guess I should've known better. In any case, thinking that the 4chan invasion was a direct and necessary result of Icy being mod is childish reasoning. It reminds me of how they'd interview people who cheat while playing Halo, and they actually blame Bungie for "letting them get away with it". It's the same logic here. My point is that while icyclam sucked pretty hard as a mod, nothing he did in any way justified the 4chan invasion. I mean seriously, the way some people were reacting at the time was as if it was actually a GOOD thing.

I'm running late now so I'll rant later. But I'd really like it if people tried to approach this whole disaster with a more constructive attitude. Let's try and not make this like the fucking French Revolution.
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