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wankerwitson · . Joined: 16 Feb 2005 Posts: 199

you must correct these three things ajutla my homie
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LegatoB · . Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 34 Location: Electric Avenue

I'm not saying we should make the new forums totally unlike the old ones, I'm just saying those who want the new forums to be EXACTLY LIKE THE OLD ONES are probably kidding themselves. I see no reason why the basic layout of the forums could not be the same, however.

Hot Stott Bot · . Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 366 Location: Boston

Joe · . Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 179

You know, HSB, it might just be that Brandon (and by proxy, Insert Credit) doesn't want anything to do with the IC Forums Community anymore.
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LegatoB · . Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 34 Location: Electric Avenue

I don't support the wholesale copying of old user accounts. I highly doubt it's as simple as any of you think it is, and I think we have potentially vastly more to gain by starting anew with new, better forum software and a fresh environment. If you want to have an archive of the old stuff, fine by me, but I just don't understand the point of dragging over the old forums as they were to the new forums like this.

But none of this is our decision to make, anyway.

dark steve · . Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 1110

personally I don't think an archive should even be made available i'd rather seal it away forever so no one can have it how about you guys
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Wilkes · milky wilkie Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 256

fuck the future

fuck the past too
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showka · . Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 70

I'm really dying to wonder why people keep saying this will be technically difficult. It'd be wonderful if someone could post some reasons why.

LegatoB · . Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 34 Location: Electric Avenue

Time is a whore.

Wilkes · milky wilkie Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 256

Joe · . Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 179

Yeah, LegatoB brings up a good point, and one that I neglected when fixing up my forums. phpBB is pure shit as far as security and stability is concerned. Migrating this old database over would force us into using phpBB, which could come back to bite us in the ass eventually.

This whole nostalgia thing is great and all, there comes a time to drop it for practicality.
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dark steve · . Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 1110

wilkes will you sign my "seal IC away forever" petition
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Hot Stott Bot · . Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 366 Location: Boston

Joe · . Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 179

There is a technical reason. Read my last post!
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Wilkes · milky wilkie Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 256

Wilkes · milky wilkie Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 256

JamesE · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject:

Hot Stott, sometimes things change and it's better not to go back. Once you leave your mother's tit you cannot return.

We are moving as quickly as we can to establish new stomping grounds before apathy and boredom sets in. They will be the new status quo for what once was IC. It's better to build these things fresh and let the old threads become half-remembered, along with the politics and bullshit.

You and showka simply aren't going to get what you want with this: something died, something is being born, and we're not going to implant the dead thing's brain in the new thing's skull for the stake of nostalgia and the comfort of the womb,
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Hot Stott Bot · . Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 366 Location: Boston

extralife · . Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 233

Sup guys. These threads got big while I was sleeping.

I don't care so much about the specifics, but I would like to see an accessible archive of the old forums somewhere. Whether it's locked, or just posts, or an alive, transplanted archive of what we had before the explosion doesn't really matter to me. I just want to be able to have all that available. It's very depressing to lose so much information and, well, culture. So lets try to keep it.

JamesE · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject:

Hey man, there's no need for that. I was civil, if oblique. I'm talking and contributing ideas for Toup's new setup - workable ones, not ones that will require backups and malformed forum code. You're pressing to cling to a dead thing and detracting from the thrust that's keeping us all cohesive right now. You're not being helpful or reasonable.
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autokratorlovestick · . Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 35

Calm down, you guys.

There's no good reason to burden the new forum with the corpse of the old.

Joe · . Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 179

JamesE · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject:

Also whoever suggested editing out all the IP adresses? That is a huge undertaking - there were thousands of posts on that old forum. I can't see that as being possibly worth the investment of man hours.
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dark steve · . Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 1110

sorry guys the archive is going to be locked away forever with all of you trapped inside
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AlphaNemesis · . Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 36

Hot Stott Bot · . Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 366 Location: Boston

Hot Stott Bot · . Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 366 Location: Boston

Joe · . Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 179

This project has no support from any of the IC staff. This is being undertaken by Toups and a few others, not Brandon, Tim, Aderack, Ollie, Vincent, or Recap.
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LegatoB · . Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 34 Location: Electric Avenue

For the last time, no one is saying we shouldn't have an archive of the old forums.

What we are saying is that they should not be integrated with the new forums, because if we don't have to drag a bunch of legacy topics and users who never posted and whatnot along with us, we can move up to newer and better forum software and proceed with the inevitable split from IC in an amiable manner.

JamesE · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject:

Towards the end IC was very dysfunctional, with too many mods and plenty much rows. Bad air had built up. Since the forums died everyone has been very much civil and reasonable. That strikes me as an ideal point to go forward to a fresh new start, not to stay bound to the old discourse. It's leaden with time and grudges that aren't worth continuing.

Really I just want things to stay chilled, aside from the very problematic problems legatoB has outlined.
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beige · . Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 38

phpBB sucks, it's got numerous technical problems.

It's time for a fresh start. There are other ways to get the old posts back.

Malloc · . Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 37 Location: San Jose, CA

Sweet Jesus, this is still a point of contention?

Guys, the IC forums have exploded before, and we lost everything. It happens! Let's move on? You know whatever Toups does, we're all going to follow through with it anyway.

Mister Toups · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject:

Okay guys, here's the deal:

1) I will decide on a final site name by friday. If I don't hear anything better before then I will register www.onecoin.com.

2) the purpose of the new site is, to put it simply, the ~~zeitgeist~~ spirit of the IC forums in a new body. This is not IC 2.0 but the point is to have a place to continue the conversation we had at insert credit.

3) there will be frontpage content in the form of force feedback, which will replace the writer's history dynamite thread. certain posters (not yet determined) will be able to start threads in the force feedback forum which will immediately appear on the front page, which all forum members can reply to. no other frontpage content is planned save for a window on the side which shows the 4 most recent forum posts. If there is any sort of sea change in the site's character, then we will discuss what sort of other frontpage content we want.

4)???????

5) PROFIT
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where were you when nana komatsu got a wii?

dark steve · . Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 1110

neat
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LegatoB · . Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 34 Location: Electric Avenue

I was hoping you'd post soon, Toups.

This all sounds good to me.

Wilkes · milky wilkie Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 256

EDIT: Just kiddin'!\

yeah go for it
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beige · . Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 38

JamesE · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject:

AlphaNemesis · . Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 36

JamesE · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject:

D-A-I-S · . Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 123

Can you make it so there's a separate archive board, and have the topics in there tagged from the boards they came from ("game", "development", etc?), so that if someone posts in them with something new to say, they get moved back to the new version of the forum they were on?

Because, seriously, do not get rid of the stuff that we were talking about just one week ago.

And if someone uses this to start shit up again, seriously, mod them so their post says "POODLE POODLE POODLE POODLE" and stick it back in the archive.

Joe · . Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 179

Can we just drop the archive thing for now? We're getting a lot of posts from people who don't really realize the extent of the work involved a) In migrating a phpBB database into another forum software's database (fat chance) or b) Whatever DAIS is talking about which aren't doing much but stirring up needless arguing.

Just drop it until we have a new forum, please? This is impeding the discussion and is going absolutely nowhere.
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AlphaNemesis · . Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 36

beige · . Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 38

Nana Komatsu · weak sauce Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 1293

Hey everybody listen to me because I am telling you with authority what we're doing

I am going to set up a place where you can read all of the old threads from the Insert Credit forums. This will ONLY be the threads, topics and user names associated. This will not be a forum, you will not be able to contribute to the threads or post or anything. There will be no profiles or any personal information other than user name and post text. You will be able to search by text and such for old threads.

There will also be a new forum setup where you can post again. If you want to start threads based off old threads and link to them, that's fine but this will not be using any old forum data.

I am guessing that the forum data is stored as one big file of SQL statements. It will be given from Brandon or Vincent to Andrew Toups who will then give it to me. Andrew knows nothing about SQL so him reading hte file would be pointless. I will be the only person, other than Andrew Toups and the IC staff who will see this data.

I will then import this data into a new SQL database, and immediately delete all columns and/or tables that will not be needed to show threaded topics and post text with user name.

I swear on whatever you want me to swear on that I will not look at any individual records (not even my own) and will delete whatever is not needed to show the most basic post/thread data from the original forums.

None of this will be released to the public, including the read-only view, until it gets the "all clear" from Brandon or the IC staff such that it is proven there is nothing but posts and user names.

This is all assuming Brandon will agree with this, but personally I think if he has any care to see the original forum data not simply destroyed, this is the best way to handle it.

I have not read this thread so I have no idea what you have been squabbling about but I hope this clears things up. If you have questions, please direct them to Andrew Toups.

JamesE · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject:

Hot Stott Bot · . Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 366 Location: Boston

schild · . Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 30

I might have the PhpBB converter to SMF lying around somewhere. Doubtful though, I'll take a look around when I get home.

JamesE · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject:

Nana, what software are you planing on using? Will there be an image board or something of that capacity?
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Joe · . Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 179

I'm a fan of Forgotten Words.
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