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Dracko .
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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I seem to be late on this and it doesn't really qualify as a game, but The Dionaea House is worth the read. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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SuperWes Updated the banners, but not his title
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Dracko wrote: | I seem to be late on this and it doesn't really qualify as a game, but The Dionaea House is worth the read. |
That is waaaaay cool. They should make a movie about it. Have you been keeping up with lonelygirl15? It seems like a pretty similar type of storytelling. Should this be a separate thread?
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Dracko .
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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SuperWes wrote: | They should make a movie about it. |
Oh but they are.
These sort of things could use their own threads. Interactive fiction, artsy website puzzles and such have room for publicity and debate. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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SuperWes wrote: |
Have you been keeping up with lonelygirl15? It seems like a pretty similar type of storytelling. Should this be a separate thread?
-Wes |
I'd never heard of lonelygirl15 before you said that. I just watched one video and it is the fakest thing ever. It's so professionally edited!
'Well, like my mom always said, [edit] "When life gives you [edit] lemons, make [edit] lemonade."'
So people thought this was real? |
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SuperWes Updated the banners, but not his title
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Harveyjames wrote: | SuperWes wrote: |
Have you been keeping up with lonelygirl15? It seems like a pretty similar type of storytelling. Should this be a separate thread?
-Wes |
I'd never heard of lonelygirl15 before you said that. I just watched one video and it is the fakest thing ever. It's so professionally edited!
'Well, like my mom always said, [edit] "When life gives you [edit] lemons, make [edit] lemonade."'
So people thought this was real? |
Well, there's two ways to look at it. On the one hand it's no more dramatic than any 15 year old girl's blog, but on the other hand, yeah, it's a bit too professional. The videos started out with lower production value and more of a focus on crazy internet fad-style stuff, but pretty quickly turned into what it is now. I don't think it's so much that people are wondering if it's real or not, but they're wondering what will happen next and who exactly is trying to make money off of it. There's a good chance it's some kind of viral marketing thing, but there's no hint about what they're selling anywhere in the videos. Lemonade mabye? A big part of me hopes it's somehow linked to Halo 3.
-Wes _________________
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simplicio .
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:19 am Post subject: |
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Dracko wrote: | I seem to be late on this and it doesn't really qualify as a game, but The Dionaea House is worth the read. |
5 minutes with that just makes me think about how much more interesting (and better written) House of Leaves is. Is it even worth the time to go through the whole thing?
EDIT: 2 more minutes and I'm done. It's like House of Leaves, as written by kids who spent all their time in english class texting each other across the room. While there may be arguments to be made about the narrative strengths and possibilities of such truncated language, I don't think this is quite one of them. |
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Dracko .
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Man, I still haven't finished with House of Leaves. I've started with The Whalestoe Letters first, for some reason. I read Nabokov's Pale Fire before that, and if you haven't, you should, because it's beautiful and aims for the same sort of stimulation.
Oh yeah, this thread is also about ergodic literature, whatever the medium be, because I find those to be playful and paralelling it with games pleases me.
Other neato artsy websites:
http://www.qrime.com/ : Japan hate Internet. Sick yes, but art ain't got no need to be pretty.
http://www.99rooms.com/ : Street art goes creepy, and I bloody love it.
http://www.jakalope.net/petridish.html : Sure, it's basically a NIN advert, but it's a damn cool one.
http://archives.obs-us.com/obs/english/books/holt/books/maze/index.html : It's a maze!
http://thisisnotporn.com/ : Obvious, but necessary. Possibly one of the most befuddling puzzles to hit the Web. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Dracko .
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, but Radiohead are icky. :( _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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Harveyjames the meteor kid
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:39 am Post subject: |
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Listen to their songs 'cuttooth' and the more recent versions of 'arpeggi' (this is a new song. they wrote it as some kind of side project but they've recently brought the whole band in on it and it sounds great). |
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:33 am Post subject: |
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Harveyjames wrote: | So people thought this was real? |
ARG and other info on her
Also, I don't know if I should bother with this. I mean, I haven't read house of leaves, but thats because none of the used book stores in New Orleans had it for the 6 months I was in the french quarter... and I kind of forgot about it. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: |
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isn't this essentially a one woman soap opera?
also, my dream in life is to teach people the difference between stealth marketing, viral marketing and memes. then we can move on to the basics of rhetoric and logic, and then THE WORLD! _________________
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Dracko .
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:34 am Post subject: |
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dhex wrote: | my dream in life is to teach people the difference between stealth marketing, viral marketing and memes. then we can move on to the basics of rhetoric and logic, and then THE WORLD! |
They'll never let you, man.
From the looks of it, lonelygirl15 could pretty much be summed up as that. Interesting in concept, but I'm not seeing this plot going anywhere yet. I'll give it a further look once I have more spare time. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!"
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:36 am Post subject: |
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i know.
i know. _________________
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GSL .
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: |
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SuperWes wrote: | On the one hand it's no more dramatic than any 15 year old girl's blog |
That's all the reason I need to never, ever, watch it. |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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have you been a fifteen-year-old girl lately?
it's pretty dramatic. _________________
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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id like to think the fbi only hires dudes who really get into their roles in catching cyberpedoes. watch 3 hours of mtv a day as research, etc. _________________
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Lackey .
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Lackey .
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | as written by kids who spent all their time in english class texting each other across the room. While there may be arguments to be made about the narrative strengths and possibilities of such truncated language, I don't think this is quite one of them. |
I found that the strongest part. It had the added benefit of being the climax though, and doesn't make sense out of context. The rest of it is just regular informal language.[/code] _________________ | Little bird fighting against a bat sect game | |
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simplicio .
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, it was the stronger part of it, and I see the intention there, but the whole thing still came across (to me at least) as too loose to properly hinge on such intentionally vague language and structure. Like a ghost story with a "he could be in these woods right now!" ending that fails to establish its antagonist as anything more than a travelling salesman. |
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SuperWes Updated the banners, but not his title
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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simplicio wrote: | Yeah, it was the stronger part of it, and I see the intention there, but the whole thing still came across (to me at least) as too loose to properly hinge on such intentionally vague language and structure. Like a ghost story with a "he could be in these woods right now!" ending that fails to establish its antagonist as anything more than a travelling salesman. |
It sounds like you didn't go beyond the initial set of e-mails. The story keep going through several people's blogs after the initial murder. I'm still not sure that I've reached the finale, but there were at least three other parts to it. That's the part that I found neat. Telling a story through e-mail and text messaging is ho-hum. Expanding that storytelling to include blogs that are only tangentally linked to the original is very cool.
-Wes _________________
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GSL .
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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dessgeega wrote: | have you been a fifteen-year-old girl lately?
it's pretty dramatic. |
So I hear, if internet blogs are any indication. But then again, melodrama has that way of making things seem more tragic than they really are... |
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helicopterp .
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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simplicio wrote: | ending that fails to establish its antagonist as anything more than a travelling salesman. |
Have you got a Loman complex today or what? _________________ Like you thought you'd seen copter perverts before. They were nothing compared to this one. |
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simplicio .
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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SuperWes wrote: | simplicio wrote: | Yeah, it was the stronger part of it, and I see the intention there, but the whole thing still came across (to me at least) as too loose to properly hinge on such intentionally vague language and structure. Like a ghost story with a "he could be in these woods right now!" ending that fails to establish its antagonist as anything more than a travelling salesman. |
It sounds like you didn't go beyond the initial set of e-mails. The story keep going through several people's blogs after the initial murder. I'm still not sure that I've reached the finale, but there were at least three other parts to it. That's the part that I found neat. Telling a story through e-mail and text messaging is ho-hum. Expanding that storytelling to include blogs that are only tangentally linked to the original is very cool.
-Wes |
Yes, structurally interesting, but not well written. Telling and not showing and all that, and the style of the blogs is too direct and expositional.
I'm not knocking the concept or the effort, just the skill with which it was written.
SPOILERS:
Okay, so the house can do one of two things to you:
1) digest you
2) sort of partially digest you, 'hollow you out' as Mark would say, and make you a subserviant tool to obey the house
Why would it need us like that? Again, two options spring to mind:
1) self-preservation
2) appetite
As opposed to Danielewski's intricate, multi-framed architectural approach. Which was overbearing too at times, but in a much more acceptable manner. This one's very aptly receiving a Hollywood horror treatment. |
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Dracko .
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:10 am Post subject: |
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It's pretty tough to be subtle using the blogosphere, especially with the sort of story they went for. For better or worse, you expect facts and sources on the Web. I think it's a noble effort considering the format, but it's not one I'll remember much. A footnote of a good idea. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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Tablesaw .
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Does nobody read Henry Jenkins's blog?
The recent Lonelygirl15 article has a lot of different thoughts about drawing the lines between epistolary storytelling, hypertext, ARGs, hoaxes, and astroturfing. _________________ It's the saw of the table! |
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Dracko .
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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.aperturescience.com/ _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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Dracko .
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:26 am Post subject: |
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What I said.
P.S. Try out the Aperture Science site, okay? _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: |
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shit, is it that time of year again already?
i'm inclined to agree with people who think that the competition is doing more harm for if development than good. and last year's entries were pretty bad. except for chancellor, which i loved, but which received criminally bad scores.
anyway, at some point i'll break down and play through these to find the one or two that are clever or well-written.
or at least to play emily short's entry. _________________
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Dracko .
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Care to expand on that comment? Is it because hurried deadlines and other such pressure mean low grade forgettable stuff?
Also, what is Chancellor like and what were the complaints? _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Dracko wrote: | Care to expand on that comment? Is it because hurried deadlines and other such pressure mean low grade forgettable stuff? |
mostly it's that it keeps the well dry the rest of the year long. if you release a story* for the competition you're guaranteed reviews, whereas stories released in other months, alone, receive less and less attention. so we get a glut of stories in october and next to none during the rest of the year. add to that the fact that what's released in that big glut is subject to deadlines and pressure and the fact that it encourages people to just throw anything together for the comp because it's guaranteed press, and you get an annual clot of mediocrity that just makes the quality material harder to see.
* use this word interchangably with "game". _________________
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: |
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oh, and chancellor is vivid and fantastic, with reality and fantasy wrestling with one another and the wrestling turns into wet, passionate lovemaking. it's like one of those old fairytales - before they were defanged - a fairy tale with teeth, and it got spilled all over a contemporary if empty dorm story.
i don't even remember what the criticisms were. someone felt guilty over one of the actions the protagonist was forced to take, which i would consider more a credit to the game than anything otherwise. _________________
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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the ifcomp results are in. they're not as bad as last year's, but how hard is it to pick winners when there are only six good games? okay, i only played the inform games, but still. i guess i should play elysium enigma since it came in third, but people seem to be comparing it to floatpoint, and i can't imagine the same subject being written about with as much breadth and detail as emily short has.
stephen bond's reviews are mostly accurate to my impressions of the games (floatpoint, the primrose path, wallpaper and legion are the interesting games in the competition for me), though i feel that interactive fiction just isn't the medium in which to implement wallpaper's first puzzle, and the two halves of the game are really rather disparate (as much as i admire the second half). and i like legion quite a bit, even if the points he raises are legitimate. _________________
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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actually, the results make me question the reasoning behind the competition even more. i love emily short's work, but how could she possibly have entered the competition not knowing she would win?
well, i guess that's the idea. for some reason i thought she'd won previously with metamorphosis, but looking on the site i see that isn't the case.
if the goal of the competition is to foster creativity and get more newcomers interested and involved, though, i'm not really sure what the point of such an established writer entering the competition is, though. couldn't floatpoint have been released on its own to as much fanfare and critical reception, owing to the reputation of its author? _________________
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