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dhex

in which i describe devil may cry 3. i figure if i put like, an hour a day for a month into it i could get past the first area. but man, i mean, i start school again on wednesday. as it stands for the next three months i have monday evenings and that's about it. so bottom line is i ain't never gonna get better at dmc3, which is too bad cause the mechanics are very smooth.

i would imagine that once the wii comes out there'll be a wide expansion of this category for a lot of people, considering how mercilessly unfair the old catalogs were, generally speaking. i look forward to "a thread for old games that you're not very good at" sometime in december.

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Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

dhex · Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:21 am Post subject:

it's the original.

and you misunderstand. i can't get past the dude you fight right in the beginning. the first level after your office.

i mean, fuck, i'm really bad at this apparently. actually, i can kill nearly everything up to him without losing any lifebar, but after that this guy just fucking tools me up.
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SuperWes · Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:41 am Post subject:

When he blocks one of your attacks instead of continuing to attack until he breaks your guard and hits you, try holding the R1 button, pressing in a direction perpendicular to the enemey, and hitting the jump button to dash out of the way.

Yeah, he's really mostly there as a tutorial for the dodge move.

-Wes
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Lackey · . Joined: 11 Jul 2005 Posts: 1107 Location: Canada

helicopterp · . Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 1435 Location: Philadelphia

After the Majora's Mask thread a couple months ago I decided to replay it. It all went swimmingly until the third temple. I got to the boss (crazy mechanical fish asshole) and just could not win. I fought him five times, died each time, realized that I had five hours left until the world ended, and to avoid losing all my progress through the temple (which is fun initially but would be incredibly tedious if I had to do it over) hit an owl with my sword, saved, and turned off the game. I haven't turned it back on since.
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TheRumblefish · . Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 258 Location: Florida

Chaos Legion makes me want to cry like a child. Granted I just started playing it again, but I have to admit it's tough. Then again, I thought Devil May Cry (1) was really tough. I have to try that again, it's been nearly five years after all!
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xvs07 · . Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 160

There're plenty of games that I'm not good at (most rhythm games, strategy games, and scrolling shooters, for example), but if we're talking "games I've sunk hours into with little to no success", then we're talking Nethack, Ghost House (early Master System title), and Overgod. I can make it a little past Gnome Town, level 1, and level 4, respectively, but somewhere soon after I usually snuff it. Despite this, I usually wander back to them occasionally to try my luck again, and I really have to admire any game that can make me do that.

simplicio · . Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 1091

I'm playing Prince of Persia: Warrior Within right now, and having this weird experience where every hour or two I get to one segment that's just impossible. So I turn it off and, a couple days later when I pick it up again, blow right by that on the first try. I've had similar experiences in other games before, but never with this consistency.

Also, the game is really not as bad as I was lead to believe, so far. The rock music, sure, but the backtracking is really pretty well handled, and the intermittent chase sequences are part of where I'd hoped the series was going. Plus the combat is much less grating than I remember from the first one. I originally only started it cause I wanted to try it rather than skipping straight to the third one, but I really am enjoying myself. Certainly moreso than I was with God of War, which is the closest point of correlation I can think of.

Oh, on topic, I just suck at precision games like STGs or racing sims or rhythm games or fighters or DMC style beat em ups, and I just can't bring myself to care about them enough to spend the time required for mastery. Trauma Center, Rhythm Tengoku, Cool Cool Toon and Osu Tatakae Oendan are kind of the exceptions to that statement; I think my problem with most of these genres is their developers tend to think the precision required means their potential market doesn't actually care about things being playful and fun, so they make them purely austere or "badass" instead.

Mister Toups · Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject:

Yeah, either use your block move or dodge move. He's actually easy once you learn that you just have to wait for him to attack and then you can swipe him from behind.

But yeah, see what Wes/Shaper have already said.
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dessgeega · Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:35 pm Post subject:

JasonMoses · . Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 407

Beat 'em ups.

Granted, they're pretty much the number one genre as far as being designed intentionally to reap operator profits from credit-feeding, but even when I know what the fuck to do to abuse the AI/whatever in any given game in the genre it still all goes to hell.

Also CHOPLIFTER the arcade game.

Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

Pijaibros · Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:48 am Post subject:

I am not good at Light Gun games. Granted they're made to for the novice arcade goer with a few minutes to kill, but just once I'd like to see someone awesome enough to clear something like House of the Dead 4 in one credit.

I am also piss at 3d platformers. I can never get the hang of jumping in them, I am too used to 2d precision.

OtakupunkX · . Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 730

I'm really, really bad at Pocket Fighter. Unexplainably bad. I'm not sure why, either.

JasonMoses · . Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 407

J.Goodwin · . Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 297 Location: North Shore, MA

I feel like, generally speaking, I'm not very good at games. What success I do have comes from dogged persistence and perseverance.

My lust for achievements cannot be sated by any other means.
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Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

dark steve · . Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 1110

Shapes, trade up to Typing of The Dead.

Guys I'm absolutely terrible at alien soldier and I don't see myself getting any better.

Superplays just make me think the game is dumb.

(also i'm not very good at gunstar super heroes even though I can one-credit the original and it's supposed to be easier)

OtakupunkX · . Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 730

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Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

OtakupunkX · . Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 730

I got it from Home of the Underdogs. They have the full PC version for download. It also comes with actual typing tutorial modes too.

Tablesaw · . Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 303 Location: LACAUSA

I'm terrible at practically every shooter (first-person and otherwise) that I can think of. I still really enjoy them. Infinite lives, infinite health and super-easy modes are my friends.
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dessgeega · Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject:

all this talk about typing games makes me want to play ys typing tutor some more.
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Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

Mario was one of my many typing instructors that I have had in life with Mario Teaches Typing.

God, I remember it so well.
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OtakupunkX · . Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 730

I miss Mario Teaches Typing. I used to play it a long time ago alongside Widget Workshop, Oregon Trail 1 and the Commander Keen games in my elementary school's computer lab. I wish I could find those games...

Dracko · . Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 2613

OtakupunkX · . Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 730

Dracko · . Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 2613

I couldn't find more Commander Keen episodes, however.

Back in elementary school, our computers used to have games like Midnight Rescue! and other Super Solvers games, but we were usually more occupied playing RoboCop and Last Crusade or making maps for Doom.
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OtakupunkX · . Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 730

I don't think we ever had Doom or anything, but we also spent a lot of time playing SimCity 2000. Speaking of games I'm not very good at...

J.Goodwin · . Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 297 Location: North Shore, MA

friedchicken · . Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 496 Location: Port Land, OR

J.Goodwin · . Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 297 Location: North Shore, MA

Mr. Mechanical · Friendly Stranger Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 1276

God you guys are old. I can remember playing Doom when I was like seven.

dhex · Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject:

i remember rotary phones.
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Dracko · . Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 2613

We had one of those because my father was a fossil. In fact, I think there's still one, connected, in the attic.

Those phones are all shades of style.
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a_plus · . Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 252 Location: olympia

oh, god, mario sunshine. It's not the jetpack-less levels either -- i love those. there are just certain impossible levels... the manta ray boss, the roller coaster w/missile launcher, and a lot of monotonous crap (whyyyyy did they bring the 100 coins goal back from mario 64??). It's so nice to look at though. i'll still probably sell it or something.

dessgeega · Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:48 pm Post subject:

the manta ray boss is almost my favorite part of the game.

it's pretty hard though!
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a_plus · . Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 252 Location: olympia

favorite? wh...why? it's so monotonus and takes so long and .. maybe i just don't know the trick to it or something? i dunno, most of the bosses in that game were just too long and not much else.

dessgeega · Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject:

it's . . . kind of a matter of proportion? like, you shoot it, and then it splits in half. so you shoot the halves and they split in half. so you shoot those halves and they split in half. so you shoot those halves . . .

i just find it sort of conceptually marvelous. even if the execution isn't perfect (and is in fact kind of tedious).

part of it could be that it's the only memorable boss in the game (other than the final one).
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Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

I dunno, I kind of enjoyed pulling the legs off that squid.

My favorite bit of Mario Sunshine will always be the pure platforming sections, with the old school theme tune. Although, even those are hit and miss.

helicopterp · . Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 1435 Location: Philadelphia

It was a very hit-and-miss game over all. The Manta Ray boss was amazing in concept but ridiculous in execution. In that same area: going through the ghost hotel was a blast, and wonderfully un-Mario. The mission that had you clean up all the paint in a short time, meanwhile, was preposterous to an extreme degree.

Overall, the best experiences in the game are playing the waterpack-less levels, the final boss fight, and kicking fruit around town like a crazed soccer star.
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dessgeega · Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject:

the ghost hotel is my favorite part of the game.
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