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Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

Link's Awakening is cool in how far it strays from series convention without losing the Zelda flavor.

Having said that I do like the way the series is mostly just the same story (Link beats Ganon) being told again and again. Like Eric Jon said, that's why it's The Legend of Zelda and not A Legend of Zelda.

Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

Yeah, I don't like attempts to fit the story into time lines.
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Cycle · Mac daddy Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2767

So did anyone figure out what those eye statues do in OoT? I mean besides tell the time and react to different objects in entertaining ways.
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dessgeega · Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject:

well, the thing is ganondorf was taken from the backstory of zelda 3. and then they dropped the chronology but ran with the convention. the zelda series has a lot of this dead weight: the games adhere to contrivancies the reasons for which have long since become obsolete.
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Intentionally Wrong · Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject:

Not that this in any way mitigates everyone's complaints about Bombs in Dungeon 5, but I had two bomb bags by the time I got there. I had one full of Level 3 bombs and one full of Level 2 bombs; Level 2 bombs work just fine for what you need.

Also, Dungeon 6 is very rewarding when you pick up the Big Key before you even get the dungeon treasure.

Cycle · Mac daddy Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2767

I also think they need to drop Ganondorf. He's had his time as the villian, it's time for someone else to take over Hyrule!
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Mister Toups · Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:15 am Post subject:

Cycle · Mac daddy Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2767

Did they say anything interesting?

Also, why haven't you added me to your wii yet? C'mon, toups. C'mon.
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Mister Toups · Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:22 am Post subject:

Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

They tell you that Ganondorf rides a black Gerudo stallion! A lot. I think that was the default piece of information and the developers forgot to swap all of them out. And that the Owl is rumoured to be the reincarnation of the sage Kaepora Gaebora. You get some practical little tips, and some that fill you in on backstory or character details, all presented in the form of hearsay or gossip. I likes 'em!

The stones in the front yard of the Temple of Time tell you some things which would have been interesting if you'd read them at the beginning of the game, but not so much use when you're at the stage in the game where you're actually able to hear it, which makes me think you were supposed to be given the ability to talk to them much earlier on in the proceedings.

Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

Right fellows, I had an excellent idea which maybe some of you clever chaps with fast computers and video capture equipment could help me with.

As we all know, Trill is the toucan with an afro who runs a shop just outside the forest temple in the Faron province. 'Trill' is also a song on Clipse's 'Hell Hath No Fury' album. So! It doesn't take a genius to work out that a music video for 'Trill' compiled out of in-game footage of Trill would be a very good thing indeed.

The track and the bird are a perfect match. At times you feel like the song could have been written by Trill himself.

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Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

Just a reminder: We do have a spoiler/back story/reading too far into the game thread here.
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Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

So none of you are into my music video idea then.

dessgeega · Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject:

i actually think trill is pretty awesome. i stopped in to grab some lantern oil, thinking the price would be automatically deducted. well on my way out trill flew over and started attacking me, and i had to hurry over to the money box while fending off this enraged toucan and deposit my twenty rupees. i thought it was fabulous.
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Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

Me either, so we may as well get something out of that album.

david · . Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 170 Location: b, md

Oh, I just assumed it was too late and I'd already fucked it up when he started attacking me. I never spent a rupee there because the few times I tried to go back, he'd just attack me. Serves him right for having unclear shop policies and then being such a Nazi about it.
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Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

Ha! I just kept stealing fluids for free from him. I mean, there's no reason to pay him when all you have to do is cut some grass and refill your hearts.
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helicopterp · . Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 1435 Location: Philadelphia

Except to save your morally corrupt soul!
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Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

Actually, in Oblivion, my soul is currupt. None of the gods (except the evil ones) will give me their blessing and I can't figure out how to clear my karma.
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Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

Slonie · . Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 141

Well then, I finished in over 50 hours. What can I say, I'm slow. Still missing like 19 Poes though, and as much as I loved the game I sort of doubt I will ever get them all. I do want to triumph in the cave of ordeals and catch the big one in the fishing hole before I put the game down for good, though.
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Dracko · . Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 2613

One of the best touches in Link's Awakening. The branding has all the punch of a condemnation, but without being too morally petty and heavy-handed that it would punish you beyond that.
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Nana Komatsu · weak sauce Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 1293

Is there a point to the guy in Castle Town west road who is asking for donations?

dessgeega · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject:

he wants peace in hyrule.
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All we are saying is give (five) peace(s of heart) a chance.

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a_plus · . Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 252 Location: olympia

if this has been mentioned, forgive for not reading this thread (spiolery), but what's the verdict on the wii version vs the gamecube version? obviously the control scheme is different, and there's the mirroring, but... anything else or does it work just as well either way? i reaaaally wanna play this, and i have a gamecube and limited funding.

Mr. Mechanical · Friendly Stranger Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 1276

The gamecube version controls just fine. If you've played Wind Waker then you know what to expect, except there's no "free look" for camera control with the c-stick. Just first person, and then two third person settings, normal and zoomed out.

I'm over 26 hours into the game so far and I can't put it down! I've played it every single day for the past week. That's been kind of a rare thing for me lately, having a game hook me like this. And I'm only really at the halfway point! I like that, knowing there's a whole lot more of this game ahead of me. I'm enjoying it a lot more than I did Wind Waker, and I really enjoyed Wind Waker despite the overall design (map layout, item redundancy, fetch questing). Twilight Princess has pretty much solved all of those problems, minus the fetch questing. But here the fetch questing isn't as annoying because it's mostly contained to the portion of the game you're at in the storyline. And any of the subquests you discover and take on aside from the main quest are just like icing on the cake.

I like the little "mini-dungeons" you find scattered about here and there. Though I wish there were more of them.
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david · . Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 170 Location: b, md

a_plus · . Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 252 Location: olympia

oh, i did forget it was originally going to be a gc game! i'm pretty much just going to have to get it, then.

Cycle · Mac daddy Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2767

Redd · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject:

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Gamer's Quarter threads don't sleep. They wait.
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Redd · Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject:

Why can't they give me the Great Fairy Tears before the Cave of Ordeals-- when I need it!! Is it just me or does it seem like a lot of utility items in this game (including valuable rupees) come just a little too late to be of the best use (or of any use for that matter).

BAH!
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Mister Toups · Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject:

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dessgeega · Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject:

so what's this cave or ordeals?

also you all know we have a spoiler thread right.
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Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

I've got the Great Fairy tears but have no idea what the cave of ordeals is!

The guy who gave me the bottle of tears said there was a cave where I would find an unlimited supply of them on the east side of the Gerudo desert. Hmm. It's like we each have a different piece of the same puzzle.

The Castle Town Malo Mart is fucked up. It's like the Hylian equivalent of a Bathing Ape store. I wonder if that's intentional, since Bathing Ape's mascot is called Baby Milo, and Malo Mart's mascot is baby Malo.

SuperWes · Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:28 am Post subject:

I beat Zelda last night. 42 hours. Nice!

I liked it, but I didn't love it. I think I'd play WindWaker again before I tried Twilight Princess again. Actually, I'd probably try the GameCube Twilight Princess before either of them.

So David, let's talk spoilerville!

-Wes
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helicopterp · . Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 1435 Location: Philadelphia

Okay, so the Cave of Ordeals and the Great Fairy Tears.

The Great Fairy Tears are the reward for killing twenty poes. You also get a bottle with them. They are purple and refill your health entirely, rather than the mere 8 hearts replenished by fairies.

To find the Cave of Ordeals, grab the giant bridge piece from the desert. I think it's called the Bridge of Eldin. When you move it, a stairway appears where it once was, and you can go down inside. This is the Cave of Ordeals. Once you're inside, all you do is fight enemies in rotundas. The door for each opens up once you kill all the enemies in a particular room. So far, my cousin and I have been down ab out twenty floors, and there are more to come. The enemies get progressively harder as you "delve deeper" (without any pikmin). I have a feeling dessgeega would really love this place. It's basically just a lot of swordfighting, with a couple instances where you need other weapons thrown in. Oh, and as you get past each ensuing six floors or so, you meet a topless fairy who releases plenty of fairies to different parts of your map. I assume that once you get to the bottom, you get an unlimited source of Great Fairy Tears.

Anyway, it's a hoot.
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internisus · . Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 354

Wow, that's really... brave, I guess.

I'll update on my progress, if anyone's interested. I'm doing stuff with Gorons on Death Mountain now, on my way to the second dungeon, presumably. The twilight Kakariko Village / Death Mountain was amazing. At some point, I began feeling deliriously excited about the game, but where I am now I don't remember way. I definitely love this as I'm playing it more than any zelda I can remember.

As Toups has pointed out, I would have preferred several things be done differently, even beyond the level of "GAMEY TEXT". For example, it bothers me that the game does such a great job of building an emphasis on Link's heroic character, but at the very start of the game you are merely handed the Hero's Clothes and your destiny by divine power. It bothers me a lot. I would have loved to earn that instead. Also, I am tired of feeling on-rails, though I know things will open up. I am hoping that the structure opens up as well. I hope that the twilight thing becomes more dynamic throughout the game and is essential to everything by the end -- for instance, I want to eventually have free passage as in LttP to move between the light and twilight realms and have that be essential to solving puzzles.

Things that continue to please me greatly include the blurring of overworld/dungeon boundaries, the graphic detail, such as in the village, and the strong roles of npcs. I am relieved that mini-games so far are mostly of a physical reality (working at the ranch, sumo wrestling). Also, there are so many things that I find that intimate things I'll be able to do in the future, like those rocks with their symbols. I also love that so many symbols have come back from different past zelda games. There are many references to Ocarina, for exmaple. I'm just having a great time.