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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about that thar Far Cry 2, eh?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know i'm jazzed.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

watching a back and forth about "somalia highlights the issues with anarchism" versus "NO IT DOESN'T" makes me think election season puts some kind of spray in the air that makes everyone fucking nuts.

like chemtrails.

anyway, one of my favorite tricks to play in new york is when i meet someone who lets it drop one way or the other that they're an anarchist (this happens more than you might think) is to ask "right or left?" if they answer one way or the other, then i know they've at least done some cursory reading and aren't completely fuckheaded. we may not agree on a damn thing, but at least it won't be a NUH UH evening. i don't play NUH UH anymore.

if they say "what?" then i know to either keep drinking and ignore them, or if i'm feeling jerky play the "how do you protect mutualist schemes from being gamed?" routine, which is, frankly, a really mean joke to play on people who think they're smarter than they are.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huh? Why is Somalia on the radar again?

Either I've gotten dumber, but I don't remember what it means to be a right wing anarchist anymore... of a left-wing one for that matter. I had some idea about this stuff when I was reading through Limonov's collected works; I used to understand it on some level, but I've forgot it all now. I've never met a single person that referred to himself as an anarchist, beyond kids in high school and they obviously didn't mean it on any level beyond posturing.

EDIT: You know, how can you be an anarchist in NYC? Isn't that kind of ridiculous? You've got to be delusional to say something like that.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Huh? Why is Somalia on the radar again?

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EDIT: You know, how can you be an anarchist in NYC? Isn't that kind of ridiculous? You've got to be delusional to say something like that.


Somalian Pirates Seize Arms Shipment

I read a little Bakunin way back when, but it was just for entertainment.

When I read or hear the word "anarchist" I think of Rick from the Young Ones.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

those pirates are so fucked when the russians show up. then again, maybe not? this could get ugly and stupid real fast.

speaking of russians, well you can be anything in nyc, really. your personal politics wouldn't necessarily have much to do with where you could live; the days of labor leaders running to soviet russia are over, etc etc. hell, the wife went to a "lecture" at a rudolf steinerite-affiliated church that featured a woman who channeled virginia woolf through interpretive dance.

certain political cultures support "experiments in living" better than others; the various mutualist/anarchist/free love/owenite communities of the late 19th century were largely, but not completely, left alone; 30 years later the post ww1 environment was incredibly hostile to socialists, communists, anarchists and the like.

the nytimes quoth:
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House Rejects Bailout Package, 228-205, But New Vote Is Planned; Stocks Plunge


of course a new vote is planned. but still. people are lighting the phone lines up something fierce.

edit 1: anyway, if you're a "bore within" type or just like mutualism without government interference, it's perfectly reasonable to live in nyc and practice collective cooperative efforts. sometimes people also say stuff because one person's individual political beliefs generally has little to do with their day-to-day lives. the ones who make it their identity tend to be boring assholes, regardless of their identity. (i.e. capital L Libertarians are often, but not always, boring assholes)

or sometimes it's a way to internalize the parts of your life. antisocial asshole? there's plenty of elitist philosophies you can use to explain away your malfunctions. useless fuck-up? you can politically drop out of society and still stay on your parents' couch. etc etc and so forth.

edit 2: the basic split of right and left anarchism is that one is focused on non-violent competition and one is focused on non-violent cooperation. one generally supports property rights as being natural and the other opposing as being artificial. right wing anarchists are generally nerdy, academics, weird anthropologists or racialist oriented (natural racial communities blah blah blah etc) and left wing anarchists generally deny that right wing anarchists even exist, so...yeah. like any marginal grouping there's more bitter infighting and jerkoffitude to be found there than between republicans and democrats.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, Somalia fucking rules!

Also, this looks like a bad movie waiting to happen: pirates, Ukrainians, a stock of tanks, etc. Why can't Hollywood come up with something this good?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

because hollywood can't get don cheadle to play every single somalian pirate without spending too much on cgi.

but more to the point how can you hate kill bill? do you just not enjoy fun or something?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could get Chiwetel Ejiofor and Djimon Honsou too I guess. Mos Def?

But maybe there's hope for Die Hard 5?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quit being a poledancer, mike!

I don't know what universe you live in, but in Niko Bellic's world, in no way is Tarantino synonymous with "fun." "Wannabeism," maybe, "pretentious cocksmockery," perhaps. Seriously, though, have you watched any of T's films lately? I hate to break it to you, but they haven't aged well.

Though I did, incidentally, watch Kill Bill again last week, trying very hard to ignore all the things that irritated me before. And, you know what, it worked. I enjoyed it a lot more this time around. Now I just have to see part two.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes i have actually. pulp fiction holds up great. it really does. but i like snappy dialogue so...yeah.

anyway, how is kill bill not fun? it's retarded. it's about cutting people up and stupid revenge. it's chop socky death wish theatrics are absurdly enjoyable.

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You could get Chiwetel Ejiofor and Djimon Honsou too I guess. Mos Def?


but that's only four pirates! also they can't all have hearts of gold.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure there are some other rappers out there looking to transition into film careers.

I'd love to see Snoop as a Somalian pirate. I'd pay money for that.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andre 3000. SomATLian style on y'all's ass.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good call!

busta rhymes could play the pirate everyone hates. it wouldn't be much of a stretch for him.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why did i look at my 403b today?

i knew nothing was there but heartache.

and yet i looked anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/world/africa/01pirates.html?hp

these guys are hosed.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhex wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/world/africa/01pirates.html?hp

these guys are hosed.


Though it does seem odd that with satt data, EW tracking data (mostly dumped into squelch-files, but those could have been kept, meta-data tagged, and mined), etc. the commercial violators could have been pretty easily dealt with.

Oh, By The Way: Exclusive Economic Zone Is 200 Miles.


Not saying that that justifies it but I'll bet some "journalist" will point out that the ship was hijacked 200 miles out and that is beyond the 12-mile limit
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the commercial violators could have been pretty easily dealt with.


well, that presumes that the powers that be wanted to deal with them, as opposed to already having gotten their cut.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



i know that's all over the place these days but still, it captures part of the spirit of the time we live in.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh yeah it's not a bailout it's a rescue. i forgot to read my morning memos like everyone else.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhex wrote:


i know that's all over the place these days but still, it captures part of the spirit of the time we live in.


Can't find a good 9-11 jumper video with Van Halen's Jump playing.

Have to settle for Python.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2008/10/01/senate_bailout_extravaganza/index.html

ho ho ho ho ho
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/world/africa/02zimbabwe.html

short version: zimbabwe is all sorts of fucked up.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

watching two well-off people try to out-down home on the farm each other is nearly as crazy as the 2000 presidential debates, in which a former cokehead and a former pothead fought over who would imprison more poor people for drug-related offenses.

the only real winner tonight was gwen ifill.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is there anything more satisfying than taking an unsolicited business card and throwing it in the trash the minute the unsolictor leaves?

i think not.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/10/05/porn/

max hardcore is an unsavory person peddling unsavory things, but this is ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who Killed Real ID? An unlikely coalition wins a post-9/11 victory for civil liberties
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ripped from the headlines of perverse incentives magazine:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/03/eviction.suicide.attempt/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://aan.org/news/fort_worth_weekly_writer_finds_source_dead_while_reporting_story/Aan/ViewArticle?oid=597357

http://fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=7211

may the dea idiots chasing down pain control docs rot in hell for starting this domino.[/quote]
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i feel like i should write america a letter. and so i will.

dear conservatives dudes of america:

welcome to the bandwagon i've been on since day one. glasses are great!

but here's the deal, conservative dudes of america: your dicks are stupid! they are stupid and can't think ahead. your dick has never read the federalist papers. it doesn't even have eyes - "one eyed trouser snake" is slang, not biological terminology.

it's not going to happen anyway, and no matter what she's had five kids so unless you're a one man walking episiotomy there's a good chance she wouldn't even notice if you did.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christ, I had to live through the meltdown of the Soviet Union. And now, just as I've finally become as American as GI Joe, I have to live through the meltdown of the American Empire. On the one hand, watching America collapse feels great, though it hardly feels dramatic. On the other hand, I live here.

Damn, knowing my luck, by the time I'm 40 I'll be in China, living through Beijing being shelled by some wannabe Mao.
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i think people by and large are being bedwetting sissypants. people who, if i held a gun to their head, couldn't tell me what the dow jones industrial average is (much less what it means) are suddenly all experts on finance, financial regulations and whatever else comes down the pipe. i know some of it is a human "longing for the end" - self-destructive adolescence - and lord knows i should be more bitter than i am*, but a friend of mine who works for a retirement fund mentioned the old apocryphal saying of jp morgan about how he knew the market had hit a peak when shoeshine boys were giving him stock tips. reversing it, you know you've hit a bottom when shoeshine boys are giving you survivalist tips.

lord knows about 50% of this mess could have been fixed if some americans a) could do simple math and b) didn't get into that whole "but renting is just throwing money away" nonsense. lord knows i don't hear that shit anymore, and i think i should be commended for not completely lording it over the semi-literate fuckfaces who have spent the last seven years or so telling me this over and over again (eyes glazing over when i talk about the severe cost differences in nyc and the like) but i would settle for a medal or a nice cup of tea.

*(after all both chocolate jesus and captain foreverwar told america that no one would lose any value on their houses, and i can't buy a house unless we get a serious market correction)

side note:
i appreciated the alternatives to marriage project a lot more before i started reading their materials. i can agree that married persons get too many tax breaks at the expense of single people; i'm not sure two people saying "we live together" somehow then deserve goodies, however. either the partnership issue is a problem because it's giving cookies to people at the expense of others or it's not. if you want everyone in on the deal we'd have to retrench quite a few things. it's also a serious invitation to very serious state intervention unless we somehow backed marriage up from an extended liability partnership to a limited liability partnership. i think that would be an ideal solution, myself, but of course i would say that being a card-carrying member of the baby-eating nihilist capitulation brigade.**

** or whatever it is i am this week.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.lagusta.com/rants/mens2007.html

i don't know what to make of the argument either way - people are dicks? - but i absolutely love the design.
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ayers? now? what?

is that desperation? or madness?

washed up maoist assholes?

don't get me wrong, if someone wanted to punch bill ayers in the face i'd probably watch, and maybe pull them off once the backwash of blood started causing him to choke.

maybe i don't understand pandering very well.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

g gordon goldbug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMSNVvWookg&eurl=http://www.reason.com/blog

more to the point:
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Consumers have cut back sharply on spending, in what will be the first quarterly decline in 17 years when the government tally is in for the third quarter.

To offset this shrinkage, the Democratic leadership in Congress is "seriously considering" a large fiscal stimulus proposal, which would send a significant amount of money to states and cities. "We have to prop up consumption," Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said in an interview.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6050283.html

the next time someone near you calls barney frank "smart" i want you to ball up your fist and give them a good twack on the nose. when they grab their face and ask you why, i want you to do it again.

it is the only way we can return america to prosperity - by beating the stupid out of them, one person at a time.

later we can buy a whole bunch of 2x4s and find some palin cheerleaders, after we're done with the daily show liberals. no one's hands will ever be the same, but this is the price of living in a non-stupid country.

the anarcho-vegan college kids we can save to the end since they're too stupid to run away, much less defend themselves (pushups are a tool of the patriarchy).

we'll have to save the paranoids, survivalists and objectivist-survivalists for last because they have the most guns. maybe we can distract them with gold funds? tell them the war is over and they're making a page by page version of atlas shrugged staring angelina jolie.

we won't tell them about the great celebrity busybody massacre of 2009 until after the trap is sprung.

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this, ladies and gents, is why maoism is so attractive. a nice clean white sheet of paper.

let it all burn, say those without skills, say those without hope, say those without stake.
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Do Maoists still exist?

I'm serious. Maoism belonged to a specific time and place. It has no footing any more. It wasn't the brighest thing to do at the time, though it was understandable given the context.

Maoism doesn't exist in China anymore, I believe. To the Chinese, Mao's just the face above Tiananmen these days.
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well, there are people who still call themselves maoists; phillipines, sri lanka, etc.

what that actually means? who the fuck knows?
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Nepal's pretty into it.
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Hey, and yeah, this kind of trolling, but in a positive and non-mischievous way, what do you guys think of Chomsky?

A guy who read my mortality site (http://kisrael.com/mortal/ ) and my feelings of existential weirdness and mortality msg'd be about the site a few years ago -- lately he says Chomsky has helped him explain to himself why he feels like he does. So I tried to wiki up to battle a bit of my ignorance about what Chomsky really says (I think I tend to get him mixed up with Minsky, because I'm a pseudo-dyslexic idiot) and his anarcho-thinking reminded me a bit of the libertarian shtuff I've seen here.

So I was wondering what libertarian word on the street about chomsky was.
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generally speaking, it tends to rest on how red state someone was before they came to whatever it is they think passes for libertoidism. those who were more paleocons will have little problem with his critique of american imperial ambitions, and point to the places where he's ignored stuff that doesn't fit into his value system. the more republican-ish folk will just yell UNCLEAN UNCLEAN.

by and large, i mean; this is a generalization like most else i say.

now, obviously dude was a superstar in linguistics in a way that my not being a linguist obscures, but i get the general drift. he does seem to be kind of a dick, and his political views tend to follow. now if you like the target of his dickishness, then you're in for a fun ride; his barely-concealed rage against truthers (like many on the new old left or whatever you want to call the fogeys these days) is really entertaining, because they're doing the whole apolitical thing (even if they don't know it) and more importantly doing it wrong.

me, personally? i think some of his models are solid. manufacturing consent is something i recommend to red state types so long as they focus on the structural issues rather than the ideological issues, of which there are many. anyone with a fringe point of view or belief system or whatever will readily see the obvious points of the book, even if they're somewhat antiquated by now. so long as you're aware of his political biases and blind spots it's an interesting way to break down media structures.

some of his other arguments tend to strike me as being very flat, or just partisan/left wing nonsense. i know he calls himself a libertarian socialist, and i appreciate that because that's OLD SCHOOL, even if it doesn't mean a goddamn thing now.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naomi klein is pretty doable, though

dhex, did you see The Corporation? What did you think of No Logo?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the next time someone near you calls barney frank "smart" i want you to ball up your fist and give them a good twack on the nose. when they grab their face and ask you why, i want you to do it again.

He's a fundamentalist.

I would not do Naomi Klein.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dracko wrote:
naomi klein is pretty doable, though

dhex, did you see The Corporation? What did you think of No Logo?


No Name, No Slogan
Yes I know it is a perfect example of what it says it isn't. But I like it anyway.

Oh, ignore the lame Crow video.

I just thought nonamenoslogan would be a great theme song for a nihilist/dada terrorist group.

Or "Us" or "We".

As in "it was us"; "we did it".

As for Chomsky, i can see how he's angry at truthers. His exasperated assertion that Conspiracy Theory != Institutional Analysis may have something to do with an impulse to fight stupid with stupid.
It's not like the fight stupid with stupid people are doing it on purpose, it's just that while they think different thoughts than their enemies, they think them the same way as their enemies.

Do I make any sense?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ministry side projects are an excellent way to start any weekend.

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we actually watched the corporation as part of one of my media relations classes. as an indicator of part of the cultural environment it is invaluable.

i read no logo when it came out. i was not too impressed. to briefly elaborate, aside from having a pretty good logo, no logo was well behind the curve even at the time it was published. now, the audience it was aimed at wouldn't know about any of the leading scholarship on branding because it is a niche market itself; nor would they care. it's not the point of the book. klein isn't exactly a heavyweight intellectual, to be very kind about it. probably far more kind than she deserves:

http://www.democracynow.org/2007/9/24/alan_greenspan_vs_naomi_klein_on

i think people have taken her personal attacks/deliberate misquotations of milton friedman wayyyyy too seriously. sure, you're going to have lots of people take her arguments at face value, but they were already removed from the sort of spheres which would interact with friedman's work one way or the other; more importantly - really - is that they're already going to be buying iphones and expensive shoes and vegan neckties and all sorts of other specialized items which communicate identity, values and needs.

they may think like klein, but they live more with friedman's spirit, even if they don't realize it.

it's sort of funny ha ha.

the other day - and swimmy might appreciate this more than most - i saw a dude reading disaster capitalism. across the way was a dude reading capitalism and freedom. i don't think they noticed each other.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Lord I wish I had a picture of that.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would not do Naomi Klein.

The post-coitus pillow talk would be insufferable, yes.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i never gave naomi klein's sex appeal any thought. i will continue that trend.

anyway, i think from the greenspan exchange/baby seal clubbing* it's kind of clear that the cheerleading aspects of this kind of punditry/rabble rousing that masquerades as analysis is kind of damaging in the long run, because there's no attempt to reach across and persuade, just harangue. ann coulter or michele malkin perform a similar function, if you want to be so kind as to call it such.

such authors make the culture a bit dumber; not through the quality or lack of quality in substance, but because of their methods.

*most of the page mentions via google regarded klein as the winner. that reinforces my point about cheerleading, i think.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

man i can't wait to hear the bellyaching about acorn and voter registration fraud.

it would be a refreshing change to see some party leaders come out and say "hey, we all do it. sure, it sucks if you live in an urban area with a political machine, or in a rural area with a supermajority, or if you live in upstate new york and got an osama ballot...but dem's da breaks...get it? ho ho ho!"

i could respect honest weaseling. like if wide stance craig had said "hey, i like anonymous sex in bathrooms"* or spitzer had come forward with a simple statement like "screw you, banging is my passion" and whatnot. honest displays of raw power and contempt are just far more respectable than the puppet show we've got going on.

* when that broke last year a jamaican woman in my ethics class started getting into the traditional antipathy so many in the carribean display towards male homosexual behavior. i made a "lay off the buju banton" joke which allowed us to redirect into slightly less bigot-y territory about why people would want a blowjob in the bathroom anyway; however, the simple fact that straight men don't engage in this behavior by and large simply because the vast majority of women are not interested in it - much less a discussion of legal marginalization that results in cultural "safe havens" and resulting risky behavior - did little to stem the tide of bafflement. bafflement being preferable to bigotry...you take what you can get.

to this day i don't see what's so hard to understand about "cost and consequence free blowjob" but i doubt fish understand what water is, too.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dhex, if you ever cross into this territory, we should have beer. Just saying.

(Let me know when you get the book, too.)
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