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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mount and Blade mod that probably won't go anywhere.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So speaking of Fallout 3....

which platform are people getting it for? Is there any reason that I should get it on PC over console?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PC

Easier to get/use add ons I imagine.

Also, construction set/etc.

I wonder how much the "barding for Dogmeat" add-on will cost.

Think of all the power armor the bandits will have after you hit level 20.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm mainly a console guy though. CONVINCE ME HERE.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, games like STALKER, Obvlivion and Fallout are the kinds of games you get on PC because they're extremely moddable. You may not want to do any modding yourself, but there will be plenty of stuff that adds fun new content, but more importantly, there will be mods that fix anything you don't like about the game.
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No one's said the obvious "it's $10 cheaper"
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Additionally, it's $10 cheaper.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hokay so we got the PC argument right here.

$10 cheaper, mods and fixes.

Also, there might be unofficial/unsanctioned mods and fixes for the PC version.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm mainly a console guy though. CONVINCE ME HERE.

Bethesda's games:

1) never work properly until they're patched eight times
2) are generally pretty boring and/or incomplete-feeling without the user-created content

Benefits of console version:

1) might feel cozier to play
2) you don't need to keep your PC up to ridiculous standards
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Argument for console!

You can play it on your TV instead of hunched over your desk.

You don't have to upgrade your PC.

You don't have to worry about configuring video options or drivers.

You don't have to wait for an install and it won't take up hard drive space (Xbox only).

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You can play it on your TV instead of hunched over your desk.


This is such a big deal for me these days. I work with computers, so I'll often buy console versions just so I can get away from them and relax on the couch.
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Most if not all graphics cards these days allow you to connect your PC to a television so along with the cheaper price and mods the PC version is the one to get if you can be arsed lugging your computer over to the TV.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most if not all graphics cards these days allow you to connect your PC to a television so along with the cheaper price and mods the PC version is the one to get if you can be arsed lugging your computer over to the TV.

No way. It's just not practical to sit on your couch with a mouse and keyboard.

Also, playing games is supposed to be done in the time you've set aside for entertainment (don't give me any bullshit about games being more than entertainment here), and nobody want to begin their entertainment time by doing a bunch of work that they'll have to do a bunch of work to undo later.

Also the cheaper price is offset by the fact that console games can be resold easier and retain their value better.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shaper, i would actually recommend going for it on the 360 as well. i know where you're coming from and have a hard time playing pc games myself because i'm just way more comfortable sprawled out in front of the tv than at a desk. the pc version does have some delicious advantages but the question is, how much mileage would you really get out of them? if you like replaying games then the user-created content is no doubt going to provide an endless source of fascinating little additions long after the game's shelf life ends, as with oblivion. if you are a hardcore fallout fan, i'm expecting there to be some really interesting mods that shift the game towards what the old guard fanbase wants out of the franchise.

outside of those two cases, or maybe a third case wherein you're a fifteen year-old, i think the console version is fine if you're going to just pick up and play and then not really come back to it. post-gainful employment, i have a hard time justifying replays even with rpgs i liked, on account of how much time it takes and how much more fun i'd probably have playing espgaluda instead.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crossposted from the Fallout ghetto:


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Hey everyone,

New version (1.2) of my Restoration Project is up.

Links below:

Windows installer (recommended): download
Manual install (advanced users): download

See this thread over at NMA if you have questions.

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So...

does anyone have any experience in getting SFall working with the hi-res mod? For reasons I can't pin down it keeps having fits.

I'm thinking it's because hi-res is trying to expand the SFall-expanded mind of the engine beyond the window SFall already commands, and the problem - so far due to involving any shaders in d3d9 (I think) - is the "iris" of the game window is trying to have a smoothing operation run while the "sclera" is trying to remain unmodified. I don't know if there's a way to resolve this, really... and that makes me angry. Mad
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i'm one of those jerks who doesn't mind 640x480 on a 27 inch screen.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i'm one of those jerks who doesn't mind 640x480 on a 27 inch screen.

also:
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That was a wonderful repurposing of propaganda art.

St. Toxic is awol from DAC.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should have made a Gamma World game instead of FO3.

Or a Thundarr the Barbarian game.

Bring back all the wierd architecture from Morrowind, add bizarre weather, centisteeds, etc.


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There is, apparently, a robot pony in Fallout 3.

Re-use the horse animation from Oblivion?

I wonder if I will be able to buy barding for it. (as premium content)
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that knowledge makes me unbelievably morose... yet excited, because that means i can mod it into a MLP.
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I want to ride in and fuck up a town like a post-apocalyptic high planes drifter.
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http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36197.html

wow.

that looks fucking terrible.
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Yeah, I wonder what happened there. That had to have been settled on and wrapped up some time ago, because interviews given just last week mention enemies seeking cover and planning before assaulting. It still has some time to go, and I assume they've made progress since the demo.
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A lot of E3 demos/trailers are horribly out of date, yes, simply because of the problems inherent with creating a demo.

That said, I'm not holding out a lot of hope at this point.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scratchmonkey wrote:
A lot of E3 demos/trailers are horribly out of date, yes, simply because of the problems inherent with creating a demo.

That said, I'm not holding out a lot of hope at this point.


Microsoft apparently thought it was good enough for the first demo of their press conference though. Maybe we're just out of touch with what the kids find cool these days. (Hint: Mini nuclear bombs)

Man, it's sad that we'll probably never see anything even close to as good as Morrowind from Bethsoft anytime soon. They seem to have completely lost the magic.
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Mount and Blade mod that probably won't go anywhere.

Mount and Blade itself would have had to gone somewhere first.

Are you guys that confused about the demo, or demos in general? It was to display the weapons, vats, physics, and gibbing (which I was hoping would be more stranglehold inspired) wouldn't cover inhibit that demonstration? This is like asking why he didn't have to quest for all those items or level up his guy. It's like you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. You could say that the E3 demo of Mirror's Edge made it look like a giant game of "follow the red line", but you'd be a disingenuous cunt. These things are marketing materials, do you really need it explained to you?

EDIT: I think it's funny that this thread started out mocking fallout fans, and then you all got really impressed with their amazing struggle against the evil Bethesda and decided to become them. Funny in a pathetic way that makes me sick.
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Funny in a pathetic way that makes me sick.


Worm this is not a thread about your sexual preferences
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Funny in a pathetic way that makes me sick.


Worm this is not a thread about your sexual preferences

Every time you white knight you realize it makes your fellow posters just look more like indefensible mewling babies, right?
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Aside from harvey having fun, I think most just don't care enough about feet stomping and pan banging to get into an argument.
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Lots of fun in swooping in automatically anytime I disagree with anyone anywhere on this board at anytime. He's totally doing it for the fun, not because it's a compulsion.

Also, if I was as confused by E3 demos as the people in this thread I wouldn't want to argue either, because I'd fucking lose and embarrass myself immensely.
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I'm not invested enough into harvey to recall or recognize a posting pattern involving you. I'd say most have a hard time getting worked up over you. 'Hey look, Worm is being abrasive. Again.'

People didn't like the demo, and I'm not sure why you are out on an Message board Crusade to set things right. I'm not seeing where NMA was put on our collective shoulders and paraded around, either. The demo wasn't impressive and a lot was expected. People being disappointed isn't surprising. But it isn't near the level you seem to see in the 3? or so posts since dhex linked the demonstration.

Again, I doubt many will bother responding. The cycle of RAGE->leaving for a while will play itself out regardless.
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I don't know guys, it just wasn't a great demo, I don't think it was terrible. The official trailer is brilliant looking. It's fucking weird how they have the RPG elements in this game. Also, I know now that I'm definitely getting the PC version of this because it's going to need mods.
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it looked like gumbo, it did.

a sprinkle here, a sprinkle there; even a buffet has sense enough to put up sneezeguards.
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People didn't like the demo

They wish they were in the demo's scope. They weren't. Crossing your arms and saying bad demo when it effectively accomplished all it had to is just fucking stupid. Either you feel you're on some bleeding edge and whining about a mainstream demo so everyone notices, or you're just fucking ignorant. Even now dhex is desperately trying to reek of esoteric, how can you guys even pretend to relate with joe gamer?

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I'm not seeing where NMA was put on our collective shoulders and paraded around, either.

Yeah, that was mainly redeye. The guy bitching about the handheld nuke and the other guy throwing his arms up at the loss of the age of Morrowind only added to it.

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The demo wasn't impressive and a lot was expected. People being disappointed isn't surprising.

Yeah, my point isn't that anyone shit a brick, my point is that the expectations were wrong. Look, shaper is bringing up the official cinematic trailer, how does that relate to a gameplay demo, why would a gameplay demo and a cinematic trailer be comparable? It showed the combat, weapons, vats, and some gory kills which I'm sure was all they intended to show, and which I think was all that made sense to show.

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Haha, that's quite it. Not like this forum is a fucking shot of thorazine; no, you awesome pacifist trolls are making me rage quit.
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Yeah, my point isn't that anyone shit a brick, my point is that the expectations were wrong. Look, shaper is bringing up the official cinematic trailer, how does that relate to a gameplay demo, why would a gameplay demo and a cinematic trailer be comparable? It showed the combat, weapons, vats, and some gory kills which I'm sure was all they intended to show, and which I think was all that made sense to show.
Cinematic trailer is relevant because it sets up our expectations. Saying that the promotional materials they give us aren't really disappointing because everyone just has the wrong expectations brings up the question of how everybody got those expectations. Marketing has a job to do and that is to shape expectations. They failed.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As has been stated elsewhere, I do kind of feel bad that not liking the looks of the Fallout 3 demo puts me anywhere near the Fallout kids, considering that they might feel somehow justified in their hysteria.

In any case, it's a demo. Plenty of times a demo is taken from old code and taken out of context by marketing and such, so there's still hope that Fallout 3 will be sweet. On the other hand, given available evidence of Oblivion being pretty meh and the demo looking pretty meh, I'm not exactly optimistic.
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Cinematic trailer is relevant because it sets up our expectations. Saying that the promotional materials they give us aren't really disappointing because everyone just has the wrong expectations brings up the question of how everybody got those expectations. Marketing has a job to do and that is to shape expectations. They failed.

What the hell got you thinking you were being marketed to? That's the first thing.

I expected vats, I expected combat, and I expected a few gory deaths. I thought they might have showed a quest, and I thought the lock picking minigame was a direct jab at anyone who shit their pants over it in Oblivion.

I really have absolutely no idea what the hell else you could expect. I get the impression that you all were expecting to be disappointed since no one has said "I wish there was x" (beside the guy who wanted to see some enemies taking cover, something none of us would want Fallout without!)

Not to mention we're talking about a company that has been pretty sparse on video demos on the past(I remember nothing of Morrowind, and only remember that small Oblivion one which was talked about more than it was watched), so it would reason that it would be short, focused, and go on to the important issues (is it awesome, is the combat awesome, how bloody is it, does vats suck dick).

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On the other hand, given available evidence of Oblivion being pretty meh and the demo looking pretty meh, I'm not exactly optimistic.

Would you call that Mehvidence?

The whining about Morrowind being the last great Bethesda game and the triple threat post from Redeye of six month old NMA bitching is what I was referencing. You guys weren't impressed by the demo because the demo wasn't trying to impress you. If it was I have no idea what it would consist of.
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with vegan canapes and homemade sangria?

the demo looked shitty; if this be elitism, then elitism has fallen from the highest heavens to the most middle of brows.

edit: all they really had to do was a halfway decent clone of stalker.
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All they had to do? It's like you already played it, though yeah, they're not making an FPS.
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the triple threat post from Redeye of six month old NMA bitching is what I was referencing. ...


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What triple threat post? The 3 "deletes"?

That was a connection problem, resulting in duplicates.

I'm reporting on the FO3 commentary/anticipation/etc. in this thread, along with semi random stuff.

Not really complaining.

BTW, the consensus of the "Fallout Kids" appears to be that FO 3 will be a good game, maybe even a really good one. The "Falloutyness" is the aspect in question.
That quality exists within sentimental memories; how can someone else approximate that?

CDEDBD ducks?

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If I get Stalker/Fallout I will happy.

Turn Based Isometric is a fetish.
I like it, but really.


I thought the demo looked like fun.

What were they going to do, have a Youtube clip about dialogue trees?
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Funny in a pathetic way that makes me sick.


Worm this is not a thread about your sexual preferences

Every time you white knight you realize it makes your fellow posters just look more like indefensible mewling babies, right?


I don't think of them that way! I have no idea why you take this stuff as seriously as you do. You sound like the chief prosecutor at the trial of Oscar Wilde with the choice of language and amount of vitriol you employ on this forum. Except you're not talking about anything important at all. It's kind of weird to me that you'd get as angry and hostile as you do over these things (i.e., computer games that haven't come out yet and no-one's played), so forgive me if I poke fun at you once in a while.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=193691

another preview.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harveyjames wrote:
I don't think of them that way! I have no idea why you take this stuff as seriously as you do. You sound like the chief prosecutor at the trial of Oscar Wilde with the choice of language and amount of vitriol you employ on this forum. Except you're not talking about anything important at all. It's kind of weird to me that you'd get as angry and hostile as you do over these things (i.e., computer games that haven't come out yet and no-one's played),

I'm always like that!

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so forgive me if I poke fun at you once in a while.

Yeah, but it smacks of defensive.

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If I get Stalker/Fallout I will happy.

I still don't understand this. The games couldn't be more different. Fallout features sci-fi weapons, a virbrant environment, and it's an RPG.

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I thought the demo looked like fun.

What were they going to do, have a Youtube clip about dialogue trees?

Yeah I dunno, this was my major problem. The other problems
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, enemies that lie along the plotline will be levelled to match you so that the difficulty curve is kept to Bethesda's heel.


Oh flapjacks.

(The preview sounded reasonably promising though.)

In any case, I'll definitely be picking it up on the PC. I wonder how long it'll take for a levelling-patch to be released.

(And yes, I was always going to get it, even if I bitched about the E3 demo.)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will most likely play this on 360. Having a construction set is a huge advantage for the PC version, only Bethesda has been saying they don't know if there'll be a construction set released alongside Fallout 3 when it drops and they don't know when the earliest it'll be ready for release, or even if they're going to definitely release one at all.

Which would really suck if that happened.
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