The Gamer's Quarter

[Dracko]

Funny, I thought that was your shtick.
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[Harveyjames]

The difference is when I do it it's ironic

[Dracko]

kevin smith makes money therefore his movies are good
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[Harveyjames]

No, therefore he's not 'utterly incompetant', jesus

Dracko, go and lose your virginity, for all our sakes, because your pent-up sexual frustration is manifesting itself in ugly ways

[Dracko]

Incompetent at making good films. Judas priest.

Harvey, stop being a knob-end or at least try to be funny about it.
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[kirkjerk]

Not that anyone cares, but this reminds me of my "Theory of Multiple Intelligences" for art.

What it really boils down to is that
A. art needs to judged in a multidimensional away--
B. to the extent that there's "good art" it will be art that succeeds on more of those axes than "mediocre" or "poor" art
C. very little art exists that doesn't work on at least one of these axes, in particular, commercial success is almost universally indicative of success in a few of these
D. Ok, ok, not all the axes are created equal, some are more important and or easier than others-- some may even reach into the subjective, i.e. "meaningful for a certain target audience" .... And maybe this is all so much post-snob "can't we all just get along" kumbaya-- but actually I think there's something to it.

Like, Harveyjames really had a bombastic attack on Kevin Smith and his fans, and while I hope it was both A. Not serious and B. Not completely not serious ("If you like the films of Kevin Smith, that is a sure sign I won't ever want to hang out with you. It's an instant, never fail taste barometer that separates cool people from people who have the worst taste in everything. " -- admittedly, "only a theory" he was testing here) my defense of my appreciation for his stuff, grounded in A. how it corresponded to my life when I discovered it, B. enjoyment of a fanboy getting away with all this stuff, C. talking head snarky commentary on pop culture icons D. dick jokes -- it is kind of an example of working with my little multiple intelligences theory.

And this theory doesn't say you can't hate a artist, or think he or she's vastly over-rated, or be suspect of someone who really likes him or her's stuff's opinion to be immediately suspect -- it's just an attempt to avoid extremism in utterly dismissive opinions, and maybe look at things from more than one angle.

[Scratchmonkey]

I'm not going to say anything about competence; however, from my film background, Rodriguez seems to be intentionally going for what people termed to be "trash cinema", which became a "thing" in the late 60s and 70s (and was arguably popularized by Roger Corman, who might be the first person in Hollywood who deserves to be called a genius). That's all.

[digi]

Everything Kevin Smith has done post-Dogma has made me think less of him. Not that I think he's worse, just that I haven't been able to really care about any of it. I think that, barring him writing a screenplay that truly calls for a big budget [i.e. Dogma], he should go back to making flicks with budgets under a million. Or, I dunno, god, at least try to once more.

I expect more good things from him, though I guess maybe, for now, he's just exhausted himself of things to make good movies about. Maybe he needs to make something that isn't based on his own writing. His writing is his best asset, but he needs to step up the other bits if he's gonna mature at all I think. Do some more living.

This is all, of course, based on me believing that the man has a good amount of genuine talent, which quite a few people seem to disagree with here. According to the poll, anyway.

edit - "Zack and Miri Make a Porno" sounds terrible. i've got Seth Rogan overload over here
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[helicopterp]

Well you go into all-caps ultra-sarcasm mode. It also seems like you're getting hung up on semantics when we all knew what dracko meant, whether we agree with it or not.

Dracko may be really forceful about his Rodriguez opinion, but it just seems like you're trying to pick a fight.



P.S. This post was supposed to come after a different one; I didn't see that there was another page to this thread. I am, as it seems, genuinely utterly incompetent.
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[elvis.shrugged]

[Faithless]

SUCKS.

Smug does not equal good writing.
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[elvis.shrugged]

PROTIP: My best friend lives down the street from where Clerks was filmed. Her mom used to buy cigs from Smith!

[daphaknee]

did i say this already i dont remember

WELL i woudl rather just read the scriptwriting in a book than watch it acted out hes a bad director im pretty sure i said something oh well WOOO