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silentmatt · Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject:

I was thinking Elsie and Francis... but yeah, Adilegian was right. They are in the first game (but reappear in cardform in the second).

They are, literally, marionettes.

I don't remember if you fight them or not (I actually don't think you do) but they are somewhat pivotal in the storyline.
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I believe this is them:

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Shapermc · Hot Sake! Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279

You know, the marionettes just feel like someone trying to out kojima, Kojima. They were horrible story elements. In fact, I don't really like Acid. I still have Acid2 in its package on the off chance that I decide to open it and hate myself (it was also on sale for like $ Cool

Can I skip the A!1 and move onto A!2 without a problem? Is there any reason to attempt to finish A!1? Was Portable Ops worth playing (my guess is no).

Honestly, it was the Metal Gear series that tought me that I don't like Snake/Metal Gear games, I like Kojima as a designer.
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silentmatt · Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:05 am Post subject:

You probably don't want my opinion because I love both ACiD titles... but, I'd say try 2. You don't need to complete 1 to play 2 (separate stories, they aren't really related) and 2 is much more fluid and easier to like in a general sense.

As for Portable Ops... since you don't really like MGS, I don't know if it is essential for you. For anyone who likes MGS... it certainly is (both for the canon storyline as well as the gameplay). They added in all sorts of new elements (like recruiting soldiers and placing them in levels as spies, being able to switch player characters to blend in easier, etc). I really liked it.
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Lestrade · Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject:

Swimmy, that's genius. Shaper, you should let me spruce that up for the next issue of TGQ. Would either of you object to that?

Dess, I might be with you. I dunno. I don't want another next-gen system right now (I can't believe I'm saying that). I can wait a bit.

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Lestrade · Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject:

Awesome. Swimmy, let me know!

I think we should do these kinds of bizarre infographics more often. They are unique and curiously insightful.

Swimmy · . Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 990 Location: Fairfax, VA

Ah, it's not mine. I yanked it from the SA forums. In a thread devoted to bizzarre infographics, no less! But I knew it belonged in this discussion.
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Lestrade · Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject:

D'oh!

Oh well... :-(

Harveyjames · the meteor kid Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636

It's not tough to adapt that graph to show the cliches of something else, though.

Lestrade · Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject:

So, new TGS trailer, huh? I have some comments (big surprise there):

1) Okay, Videogame Industry, enough with the randomly sexualised female characters. Oh look! I'm on a battlefield and I'm showing as much of my tits as I can! Here's a close-up! Seriously.

2) A monkey. A MONKEY. And I'm really dreading the English voice-over of his keeper, Token Black Guy by Japanese Videogame Company. He will no doubt be a completely offensive fuckwad. Oh yeah: A MONKEY.

3) Some of the character details look fantastic, but some of the animation looks really stiff and obvious. Is it just me? That monkey looks like a marionette.

4) Now you can see my tits and my thighs! How very progressive!

5) Gigantic Testuo/Kaneda Metal Gear Ray/Rex show-down. This is the biggest stroke of pandering yet, but I have to admit it's kind of exciting. Lots of belly-sliding nuclear robots and screeching.

This whole game is obviously a kitchen-sink sort of deal; Christ, is there a character or situation that isn't in this game? I am anticipating an undecipherable mess of Pirates of the Caribbean 3 proportions.

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Once again you fail to link us to said trailer ;_____;

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Lestrade · Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject:

Yes, I think you're both right.

In a way, it's good. I mean, the series should have ended after MGS2, if you ask me.

The trailer's on GameVideos.

sediment · Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject:

I agree, though personally I'd prefer if they took MGS2 and applied some of the mechanics of 3 to it - except, it really seems like that's basically what they're doing here (with Snake at the helm, of course).

I can't wait to see what the encounter with grandma Eva is going to be like. She's got to be closing on 70, and after her performance as an escort quest in 3 I'll be sorely dismayed if she turns out to be some sort of Boss-esque showdown. (Yeah, she was poisoned, but hell - Snake is tackling everything but the girl here, and he's got foxdie to deal with.) And when I say "I can't wait" I'm actually being sarcastic and not fake-sarcastic or anything.

I'm still going to buy it. Sad

edit: wow, i just caught the spot where the guy runs around with his pants hiked down. wow.
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Ok, I watched the video. This is going to be awesome, seriously.

I kind of hope they make the monkey owner out to be flamboyant in the US version. Very "Bruce the hairstylist" type thing.

Also, like, Snake vs Monkey! This time it's for real.

EDIT: Am I the only one who thinks that the amount of trailers for MGS4 is bizarre?
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dessgeega · Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject:

OUTER HEAVEN
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dessgeega · Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject:

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sediment · Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject:

is that a space baby or an inside-baby
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What is the real story with the number of MGS games that Kojima wanted to make, then? I thought it was three, corresponding to the Genes - Memes - Scene outline, but clearly I'm a sucker.

EDIT: Also, who was it, back in the old Insert Credit days, who predicted that in MGS4 you'd get to pilot a Metal Gear? Because holy shit, that was good work.

FURTHER EDIT: Toups the Elder. I am impressed.

Isfet · . Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 107 Location: A New York

i'm going to further confuse things by stating that i remember Kojima claiming in an interview that he never planned anything more than Metal Gear Solid 1. maybe he was being semi-deceitful with that claim, though, as MGS2 has a LOT of documentation (that we've seen). the ending of MGS1 was a decent cliffhanger, but maybe he really didn't have more plans than that? but i find it somewhat hard to believe he had no thoughts of a sequel.

anyway, after 2, he didn't want to be involved on a directorial level with the games anymore, but...haha, well, that hasn't really happened.

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boojiboy7 · Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject:

Yeah, give or take a bit. I remember also reading that Kojima was kinda pissed that MGS was the big game in the series, as he intended it to be metal gear part 3, so now we have MGS2:MG4, MGS3:MG5, and MGS4:MG6. I wish I could find it, but I remember him seeming to have a slight tone of pissed-offed-ness at the first two games being ignored. Probably at least a little bit of motivation for why they showed up in the MGS3 special edition.

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I never noticed.

At least they didn't model him after the other Snake.

Well, maybe just a teeny bit.

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Lestrade · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject:

Shaper, that's genius. True, too.

It'll be interesting to see how people feel about the series after all is said and done, compared to how they felt a few years ago, or after MGS1.

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Intentionally Wrong · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject:

Johnny Sasaki, in the role Meryl made famous. So awesome.

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