|
The Gamer's Quarter A quarterly publication
|
View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 6563 Location: bohan
|
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:23 am Post subject: |
|
|
Dracko wrote: | But yeah, IF have the benefit of being able to pull the same stunts as literature, and mostly demand some degree of quality writing. Even with bleeding-edge graphics and design, it's a shame not more games try to do anything similar. |
well, the thing with if is there's just such low overhead. there's no need to worry about graphics or sound design. if you have an idea, you can just bang out a couple paragraphs. that's why adam cadre could come up with a simple idea like 9:04 and just put it out there. could you imagine drawing graphics for 9:04?
the other good thing about if is that the medium is actively trying to recruit non-coding authors. inform 7 has taken a lot of steps to be less like code and more like language. if aspires to be as simple to write as it is to type a story on a typewriter, and, i've been saying for a while now, this is exactly what the medium needs. _________________
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Shapermc Hot Sake!
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279
|
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: |
|
|
Dracko wrote: | I like to compare IF and Half-Life 2 a lot in conversation. Maybe I'll work on detailing that at some point. |
You should write it up. Then shoot me an email. Very soon too. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Shapermc Hot Sake!
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279
|
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I beat attack of the yeti robot zombies on my second try. I probably could have done it on my first, but I was attempting to beat it without shooting anything which caused me to do a few stupid things and I got eaten by a Yeti Robot Zombie.
It's pretty good and fun, but it's riddled with little errors ("off" instead of "of" and the like). I would recommend it to new players as well as 9:05.
Also, dess, am I missing something on robot gardening? It seems like there's not too much I can do, and I can't water anything or fix the reason I can't water anything. Is that the point, or am I missing something? _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Shapermc Hot Sake!
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279
|
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:06 am Post subject: |
|
|
Ok, I'm attempting to download Little Falls, but can't seem to do so. The site is here, but all the links lead me to foreign language nonsense. Any help?
http://www.terradif.net/mc/little-falls/ltf-gamepage/ _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Harveyjames the meteor kid
Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636
|
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
The solution to Robot Gardening is decidedly more obtuse than it should be, because it's a simple and great idea. Basically, you have to be standing in a certain spot to do something you'd think you would be able to do from any area in the game. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Shapermc Hot Sake!
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279
|
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Well, you see, I can't figure out if or when I'm interacting with anything or if there's even a solution at all ;___; _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
dark steve .
Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 1110
|
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
you aren't looking hard enough, no doubt _________________
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Dracko .
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 2613
|
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
It's not IF as such, but if you find it, Jordan Mechner's The Last Express is essential gaming. Set on the Orient Express, it can afford to play itself in real-time and involves all sorts of intriguing characters. The former is one of gaming's biggest conundrums done right, and works simply because it's set in a small area, the latter is, well, simply something we should see more of, really. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Harveyjames the meteor kid
Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636
|
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Dess needs to drop some Robot Gardening hints. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Shapermc Hot Sake!
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279
|
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Dracko wrote: | It's not IF as such, but if you find it, Jordan Mechner's The Last Express is essential gaming. Set on the Orient Express, it can afford to play itself in real-time and involves all sorts of intriguing characters. The former is one of gaming's biggest conundrums done right, and works simply because it's set in a small area, the latter is, well, simply something we should see more of, really. |
This is a game that's hard to find, esp since it's on gametap. Any help would be appreciated in locating it.
Harveyjames wrote: | Dess needs to drop some Robot Gardening hints. |
Yes, please. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Dracko .
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 2613
|
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
Shapermc wrote: | Any help would be appreciated in locating it. |
That's why I brought it up in the first place, honestly. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 6563 Location: bohan
|
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
i used my free trial of gametap just to play last express. it's two weeks, and apparently when you try to quit they'll offer you another week. i didn't take it. you have to quit by phone, which is the annoying part. _________________
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Shapermc Hot Sake!
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279
|
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
|
|
Hey, this is pretty awesome. Even if I never will play Adventure, I know some of you kids get a kick out of this stuff. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Shapermc Hot Sake!
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279
|
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
dark steve wrote: | you aren't looking hard enough, no doubt |
This is a silly comment. I have now officially looked at, searched, and examined every object that the game will recognize.
I will state this: the game does not recognize that there is grass even though the game has it in the description. Nor does the game recognize grass, ground, or floor for that matter.
I am giving up on robot gardening. This is my fourth attempt or more and it's just frustrating at this point. Thanks for ignoring any requests for hints. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 6563 Location: bohan
|
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
i've been in indiana, asshole. that said, it's a really subtle puzzle, and i'm not sure i could give hints without spoiling it. _________________
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Crazy Bacon Lips .
Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 88 Location: Ol' Virginny
|
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
[quote="Shapermc"] Dracko wrote: | It's not IF as such, but if you find it, Jordan Mechner's The Last Express is essential gaming. Set on the Orient Express, it can afford to play itself in real-time and involves all sorts of intriguing characters. The former is one of gaming's biggest conundrums done right, and works simply because it's set in a small area, the latter is, well, simply something we should see more of, really. |
This is a game that's hard to find, esp since it's on gametap. Any help would be appreciated in locating it./quote]
I might have the discs lying around. If I find them, I will help you out. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Crazy Bacon Lips .
Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 88 Location: Ol' Virginny
|
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Hey, I just noticed that I have a bunch of hearts.
Yeah! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 6563 Location: bohan
|
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:22 am Post subject: |
|
|
that means that we love you! _________________
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Shapermc Hot Sake!
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279
|
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:47 am Post subject: |
|
|
dessgeega wrote: | i've been in indiana, asshole. that said, it's a really subtle puzzle, and i'm not sure i could give hints without spoiling it. |
Oh, yeah, that's right. We were supposed to be in IN at the same time (and, like, I was!).
Anyways, I'm obviously asking to be spoiled then.
Or like, the "code" needs a bit more of a brush up so that I know when I'm going in the right direction at least. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Harveyjames the meteor kid
Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636
|
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Put it this way, when you were trying to look ground, look grass and look floor, you were looking the wrong way.
I think everyone got stuck on this when it came out, but the few people who worked it out without hints felt incredibly proud of themselves. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Shapermc Hot Sake!
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279
|
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Harveyjames wrote: | Put it this way, when you were trying to look ground, look grass and look floor, you were looking the wrong way. |
But the game gives you no help in figuring this out. For example it could say:
>Look at grass
There's no reason to look there
>Look at floor
There's no reason to look there
But no, the game gives:
>Look at grass
You can't see any such thing
>Look at floor
You can't see any such thing
The thing is that even items in the discription of a locations can't be seen in the game until you type the proper words. Another thing is that the flowers aren't in the East room by the pipe, but the discription says that you can see the pipe in the West room. Why can't the discription say "There aren't any flowers here" or something. The game may have some mind reeling solution that will make me feel like an idiot, but the game still needs to be polised to be considered anything but unhelpful and obtuse.
And I still can't figure out what your hint is trying to point me towards doing.
EDIT: For some reason I just realized there were more areas than Hilltop and Eastern Field _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Harveyjames the meteor kid
Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636
|
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Divvy. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Shapermc Hot Sake!
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279
|
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Harveyjames wrote: | Divvy. |
>:(
I ... don't know what the hell this is. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Dracko .
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 2613
|
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
Hey, can we talk about more adventure games here? I'm wondering if it's worth my while to purchase The Blackwell Legacy. The demo holds promise and I like the university suicides premise, but has anyone played it in full? _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Shapermc Hot Sake!
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279
|
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:18 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I can't talk much about Adventure games, let alone specific new ones, but I'll bring up that I don't like graphic based adventure games anywhere near as much as I'm enjoying IF. Graphical Adventure games take all the discriptions and flexability which comes with it out of the Adventure. Something is only as good as you--or someone else--can draw it. On top of that I end up spending quite a bit of time pixel hunting (clicking on everything just to see what I can interact with). These things have led me away from GA and something that IF has sparked in me again.
Both of these things I have thought were dead for years. Games like Hotel Dusk and Trace Memory reminded me that I really don't like GA games, but the stuff I've been trying here reminds me about the power of imagination.
Sorry, I'm not helpful here at all, I know. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
SuperWes Updated the banners, but not his title
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 3725
|
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I'm currently working on conciously generic text adventure that should last around a minute or two from start to finish, but I have to shamefully admit that I have very little experience in the genre. Can someone here give me a good list of verbs that text adventures tend to recognize?
Is anyone interested in coming up with something for me so that I don't have to think?
-Wes _________________
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Shapermc Hot Sake!
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279
|
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
SuperWes wrote: | Is anyone interested in coming up with something for me so that I don't have to think? |
ask, attack,
block, break, buy, bye,
can, chop, clean, clear, climb, close, cp, cry, cut,
dance, date, destroy, dir, directions, down, drink, drop,
e, east, eat, enter, empty, ex, exam, examine, exits,
feed, feel, fight, find, fix, fly,
get, give, go,
hit, how, hum,
i, inv, inventory,
jump,
kick, kill, kiss,
l, leave, lie, lift, light, listen, ln, locate, lock, look, ls,
move, mv,
n, ne, no, north, northeast, north-east, northwest, north-west, nw,
open, out,
panel, past, pick, press, previous, pull, punch, push, put,
read, remove, run,
s, say, se, sell, shake, shoot, shout, sing, sit, slap, sleep, smash, smell, south, southeast,
south-east, southwest, southwest, stab, stand, status, stop, suck, sw,
take, talk, thank, throw, time, touch, turn, turns,
unblock, undo, unlock, up,
w, wait, wash, wear, west, what, when, where, whistle, who, why,
yes,
Single letters are abbreviations (w=west).
Anyways, you would honestly be better off learning Inform 7, because, like that looks STUPIDLY easy to program with. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
SuperWes Updated the banners, but not his title
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 3725
|
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Shapermc wrote: | Anyways, you would honestly be better off learning Inform 7, because, like that looks STUPIDLY easy to program with. |
That would not work at all for what I'm doing. But thanks for the verbs!
-Wes _________________
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
The Soviet Onion .
Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Posts: 41
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 6563 Location: bohan
|
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
SuperWes wrote: | Shapermc wrote: | Anyways, you would honestly be better off learning Inform 7, because, like that looks STUPIDLY easy to program with. |
That would not work at all for what I'm doing. |
i don't know what you're trying to do, but i bet it would. _________________
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Harveyjames the meteor kid
Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636
|
Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I wrote a game in Inform 7 and it was fucking ridiculous. It was just a room with two things in it, a bloke called Keith and a door. When I ran it I found that you could pick up Keith and the door. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
SuperWes Updated the banners, but not his title
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 3725
|
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: |
|
|
dessgeega wrote: | i don't know what you're trying to do, but i bet it would. |
Can you make Fighting Games in Inform 7?
-Wes _________________
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
sawtooth .
Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 419
|
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
you can make fighting games in anything
my list of favorite fighting games:
1. Super Smash Bros Melee
2. Super Smash Bros
3. A Technically Impressive Hypercard Stack about Fencing _________________
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Harveyjames the meteor kid
Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636
|
Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
Eleanor and I played Robot Gardening, Dess, and she found it really annoying. It's mainly because you cant LOOK AT SKY, LOOK AT GRASS from wherever you are in the game. It really needs some polishing. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 6563 Location: bohan
|
Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
|
|
i'm sure you're right. i made it in a weekend, as my first ever piece of interactive fiction, for a small, friendly competition. i'm reluctant to polish it because i'm sure it would take a huge amount of work to bring the game up to my standards, and i don't have the time to invest in that kind of undertaking right now. _________________
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Harveyjames the meteor kid
Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 3636
|
Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
Boo. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
|