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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:41 pm    Post subject: Guitar Hero III / Rock Band Reply with quote

No, this isn't a competition, or a poll asking you which you think you'll prefer. I for one will probably get both games, because they each have something I want.

I'm curious, though; will the Rock Band guitar by any means work with GH3? If it did, then I could buy both for 360 and save some dough. If not, well...

For those planning to get GH3, which version are you going to get? I already have the PS2 Guitar Hero II, but to be honest, I don't want to use my PS2 anymore. I want my shiny new consoles to see the love. So it's between the 360 and Wii. The Wii version looks like it'll have some extra features because of its use of the Wiimote, and it'll be a bit cheaper, too. Guitar Hero seems like a good fit for the Wii too, because (a) I have friends with Wiis who would probably get into this more than most games, and (b) waggle and looking like a fool while rocking out is what the Wii is all about!

Then again, the 360 version will look better, and perhaps its online will be handled better too. I'm also curious to see what is done regarding downloadable tracks. I mean, maybe Activision will fucking clue in and provide à la carte songs for purchase, so I can buy, say, good songs without some of the terrible modern stuff from GH1 and 2.

Anyway, what are youse guys thinking? Leave the hate at home; this thread is for interested parties only.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, this is too steep a purchase for what I essentially consider a casual game. Were I to buy this though it would be for the 360 for both the better quality of video and audio. On top of that it has the potential to incorporate more downloadable songs.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would contemplate getting Rock Band over GH3... and, at that, for the PS3. I would kind of hinge on if I can use the Rock Band guitars with GH2 though.

There is no way I want more than 3 video-game instruments in my house at any time. I am all for getting rid of my 2 wired Guitar Hero controllers (1 official, 1 TAC) - IF the Rock Band controller is backwards compatible. Which it probably won't be.

So, under that assumption, I'll probably buy neither.

I'm also worried that Rock Band is just too over-stimulating. I only have a 17" TV and merely thinking about trying to cram (and teach how to play) 4 players + friends/spectators into our den area is enough to give me shudders.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is sort of a conundrum in some ways.

from what i've played of Guitar Hero III, it seems like it's actually going to be a lot of fun. the stuff they've added to the multiplayer almost makes it like a versus puzzle game where your goal is to screw the other player up as much as possible. the songs are probably the best out of the entire series and most of them are from the masters.

the Wii controller is interesting in that it has a slot to place the remote inside and that's kind of neat, but in general, the 360 controllers seem to be the nicest. they feel really great and there will also be the option to buy some different faceplates for the guitars.

and this would all be well and good if Rock Band didn't exist. it seems sort of counterproductive that they'd be making these two games simultaneously.

i don't see why the GH controllers wouldn't work with Rock Band. it seems really unnecessary that they would be incompatible.

i'll probably get both, but maybe not RB immediately.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only reason that I would consider buying either of these is if there was any Manowar present.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A big issue with the controllers: I have 2 PS2 GH controllers, for which there is no way to plug into the PS3. So, there is no way to use them (I know that adapters have been released... but from what I've read, their functionality is sketchy and they don't detect the star power motion at ALL).

Now that the PS3 controllers are guaranteed to be wireless, I doubt there will be any way to use them with my PS2. This leaves the only real option to be playing GH2 on my PS3 and hope it works.

As for GH3, I hear that it will also be released on the PS2. So, I would probably get that version and use the old controllers I have laying around.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah... I suppose I will wait and see how each version is. Maybe I should save some cash and just get the PS2 version. I mean, I guess Guitar Hero ain't about the visuals. Also, I suppose it depends on what my friends get too, so we can have enough guitars to go around.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want Rock Band for the drums, which are fucking hard (I sucked epically on the one go if it I had at X'07 before the power cut out.) they're also ridiculously huge and pricey I'm sure (it's literally the size and quality of a Yamaha electric drum kit.)

Also, if you're going to get a guitar, you'll want the Rock Band ones, as they have 5 extra buttons near the neck for no-strum solos, which you'll miss if you only get the GH3 controllers.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(it's literally the size and quality of a Yamaha electric drum kit.)

That's a hell of a stretch.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, you're right. It's not literally. That was an incorrect usage.

It's way bigger and sturdier than I ever imagined though.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I hear. I'm looking forward to trying it out!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I don't know if this is commonly known, but one of the dudes that was behind GH2: Hacker's Edition was hired for part 3. When I first heard this, I immediately had to talk to this guy, but after much back and forth with Red Octane, they now flat out do not want an interview to happen. And I figured they would want anything to the cement the upcoming sequel’s credibility (plus there's no shame in hiring hackers... hell, that's how Ms. Pac Man came to be). Oh well...
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was a little LTTP on GH, bought the wireless Red Octane guitar and used copies of both 1 and 2. If I get GH3, it's probably going to be for the PS2 because I already have the wireless guitar and, as was said, it ain't about the visuals.

BUT I probably won't get GH3, at least not this holiday season, because I'm going for Rock Band. The song list just looks so much better, and I prefer the straight game to the way that Acclaim is Mario Karting GH with all those power ups and shit. I don't really have anyone here to play along with, so I'm hoping they're going to sell a GH-like bundle of Rock Band with just the game and a guitar. Maybe they'll even make it a wireless guitar in that bundle since the big 360 bundle will have a wired guitar.

Why are they packing it with a wired guitar at all anyway?? Ugh.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why are they packing it with a wired guitar at all anyway?? Ugh.
beacause it's not Acoustic Guitar Hero
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Why are they packing it with a wired guitar at all anyway?? Ugh.
beacause it's not Acoustic Guitar Hero
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ba-dum *ching*
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously though, plugging in an electric guitar is an incredibly cool thing to do, and if the game recreates that very well, I'd say it's worth it not to include a wireless controller.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seriously though, plugging in an electric guitar is an incredibly cool thing to do, and if the game recreates that very well, I'd say it's worth it not to include a wireless controller.

While this is a good point, the real reason is that licensing the wireless technology for the 360 costs the publishers a lot of money and they didn't want to potentially limit their sales by making it cost more money. Apparently the PS3 version will be wireless.

Oh! And since there's only two USB ports on the Xbox they're including a USB hub as part of the package.

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Hey, so are any White Stripes songs confirmed for RB/GH3?
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Leaked Guitar Hero 3 Track list (Which, is kind of amazing honestly and I really-seriously hope it's true):

(EMPHASIS MINE)

Tier 1:
Foghat - Slow Ride
Poison - Talk Dirty to Me
Pat Benatar - Hit Me With Your Best Shot
Social Distortion - Story of My Life

Encore: Kiss - Rock and Roll All Nite
Co-op Encore: Beastie Boys - Sabotage

Tier 2:
Mountain - Mississippi Queen
Alice Cooper - School's Out
Cream - Sunshine of Your Life
Heart - Barracuda

Boss: Tom Morello - Guitar Battle
Encore: Rage Against the Machine - Bulls on Parade
Co-op Encore: The Strokes - Reptilia


Tier 3:
The Killers - When You Were Young
AFI - Miss Murder
The Who - The Seeker
Priestess - Lay Down

Encore: Rolling Stones - Paint It Black
Co-op Encore: Red Hot Chili Peppers - Suck My Kiss

Tier 4:
Black Sabbath - Paranoid
The Sex Pistols - Anarchy in the UK
Sonic Youth - Kool Thing
Weezer - My Name Is Jonas

Encore: Pearl Jam - Evenflow
Co-op Encore: Blue Oyster Cult - Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll

Tier 5:
The Dead Kennedy's - Holiday in Cambodia
Scorpions - Rock You Like a Hurricane
Aerosmith - Same Old Song and Dance
ZZ Top - La Grange

Boss: Slash - Guitar Battle
Encore: Guns N Roses - Welcome to the Jungle
Co-op Encore: Bloc Party - Hellicopter

Tier 6:
Santana - Black Magic Woman
Smashing Pumpkins - Cherub Rock
White Zombie - Black Sunshine
Tenacious D - The Metal


Encore: Stevie Ray Vaughn - Pride and Joy
Co-op Encore: Matchbook Romance - Monsters

Tier 7:
Slipknot - Before I Forget
Disturbed - Stricken
Queens of the Stone Age - 3's and 7's
Muse - Knights of Cydonia

Encore: Living Colour - Cult of Personality

Tier 8:
Slayer - Raining Blood
Eric Johnson - Cliffs of Dover
Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast
Metallica - One

Boss: Lou - Guitar Battle
Encore: The Devil Went Down to Georgia (I really hope that Les Claypool comes back from GH2 for his version of this.)

Bonus Tracks:

An Endless Sporadic - Impulse
Backyard Babies - Minus Celsius
Bret Michaels Band - Go That Far
Die Toten Hosen - Hier Kommit Alex
Dragonforce - Through the Fire and the Flames
Fall of Troy - FCP Remix
Gallows - In the Belly of a Shark
The Hellacopters - I'm in the Band
Heroes del Silencio - Avalancha
In Flames - Take This Life
Kaiser Chiefs - Ruby
Killswitch Engage - My Curse
LA Slum Lords - Down N Dirty
Lacuna Coil - Closer
Lions - Metal Heavy Lady
NAAST - Mauvis Garcon
Prototype - The Way It Ends
Revolverhead - Generation Rock
Rise Against - Prayer of the Refugee
Scouts of St. Sebastian - In Love
Senses Fail - Can't Be Saved
The Sleeping - Don't Hold Back
The Stone Roses - She Bangs the Drums
Superbus - Radio Song

OK, Slayer, fuck yes. Anyways, if this gets confirmed I'll be shitting happy, seriously. Too bad there's no White Stripes, and I'm sure that I'll enjoy some of these more than I think I will, but this is an awesome list for me. Rock, the fuck, On.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't this leak over a week ago? I saw it reported today but thought that I had read this all before. Maybe I time-travelled?

Anyway, there are some seriously good tracks on there. I think I've decided that I'm getting the PS2 version because I really just want a cheap way to have fun with Tenacious D, Dragonforce and a few others. There's a fuckload of songs in there, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, PS2 version FTW
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paranoid is a bit like Ace Of Spades, I've heard the bloody song so many times I'm sick to death of it. Even though it makes sense to go for Sabbath's most well know track, I would have liked to see something like Snowblind or Symptom Of The Universe or Sweet Leaf. I'd go against my "no Manowar no buy" stance if Snowblind was in there.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, hell, a lot of those are good.

I really got tired of GH2's shitty cover versions, though. I'm not sure I can handle them with songs I really like.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, PS2 version FTW


PARTY AT MY PLACE

I wish they'd include some Dio Sabbath. I want "Neon Nights!"
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm getting seriously pumped for these games. I got a raise last month and my "bonus" from the Mrs. (She'll be Mrs. Tomorrow anyways!) is Rock Band for the 360, but it's looking like I'll have to get Guitar Hero 3 as well. There are so many good songs on here it's incredible. I don't think there's a single track that I don't know/enjoy. And the fact that Killswitch Engage is among the bonus tracks is fucking awe-inspiring. I'm excited.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations Wes! I forgot that was happening! No wonder you've been a little scarce lately.
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Oh! And since there's only two USB ports on the Xbox they're including a USB hub as part of the package.

Two in front and onein the back = three.

There's only two on the HD DVD drive.
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Now that the launch dates are nearer... Has anyone read anything about the BC of the different guitars yet?

What I mainly want to know is about playing GH1 and GH2 on the PS3 with either Rock Band or GH3 wireless controllers.

On the same note: has anyone had any experience selling used (but still fully functional) wired controllers to EB Games or something like that?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shit, now I find myself wanting to get GH3 for Wii. Because it's a party game, you know? Plus, I love the cheaper price, hot Wiimote-insertion action, and nice-looking, collapsible guitar.

But I guess there'll be no online play, huh? And what about downloadable songs? Will it even look better than the PS2 version? (EDIT: looking at new screens on Kotaku, it actually looks pretty nice, even on Wii!)

Whoa, the Xbox 360 version is $120 CAD, which is complete bullshit.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, thank fuck companies are taking notice of the strength of our dollar; the Guitar Hero III Xbox 360 bundle is now $110. Hmmm!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

from what i recall, the guy i spoke to at the GH3 PR event said that every version of GH3 would have online play, so...

he might have been wrong, but he seemed fairly certain every version would have it.
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But are they interchangeable? Can a Wii player play with an Xbox 360 player?
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But are they interchangeable? Can a Wii player play with an Xbox 360 player?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that is something i don't know, actually. hmmm...

what's the trend with that, usually? so far, have PS3 players been able to play against people on the 360 for anything?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Game done been leaked, and I've been playing co-op career mode (on expert) with my roommate. The difficulty has increased about as much as I'd expect. There are far, far more 3-button chords, which I think is good - they felt thoroughly underused in the second game. As far as the songlist is concerned: there is a set in co-op career mode which has Paranoia, Welcome to the Jungle and Anarchy in the UK all in a row. Pretty ridiculous! More as it happens.
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Yeah, I've been playing single-player. Started on Hard but then got bored... really quickly. So, moved up to expert which is quite a bit better.

Problems:
1. The visuals look like crap and it seems progressive mode is broken (I select it and my screen gets all messed up - despite the fact that I am using component cables and GH2 worked with in 480p mode).
2. The character bios and even some of the cut-scenes are so self-aware of appearing like "sell-outs" that, thinking about who produced the game, makes me cringe. It is completely old suits with fake smiles... "we're not the man, come on - rock out".
3. The "battles" - I've only had one so far. And I hated it. It basically involved repeating the same stupid riff over and over again in hopes to get the "power-ups" as quickly as possible to use on the opponent. Someone needs to mention the fact that the "power-ups" obscure the note on the fret board so good luck timing it right.
4. The load times are horrendous.
5. The PS2 version has NO online play, so no need to even discuss cross-compatibility online in regards to the PS2 version.
6. The new singers chin seriously takes up like half the screen whenever he is on-screen. It makes me uncomfortable.


MAJOR EDIT: So, this is what happens (click on the images to see them in full-size - and sorry about the color, my camera's color balance is WAY off).

Exhibit A - Guitar Hero 3 launches, running in 480i (as reported by my television).


Exhibit B - I turn on the Progressive Scan mode. The screen squishes down to take up less than half of the screen, but the TV still reports receiving a 480i signal.


Exhibit C - I accept the changes, try turning my TV to a different input and then back again (to see if that will make it think it is getting a progressive signal), turning the TV off and on... All to no avail. The TV is confident in thinking GH3 is sending a messed up 480i signal.


So... anyone recognize and can diagnosis this problem? I'd certainly appreciate any help because I'm completely at a loss. I should note that I am launching the game on a V12 slim PS2 via Swap Magic 3.6.
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I am acquiring leaked game right now. If it's worth the cizzash I might get the Wii version. The game's price has dropped yet again here; now the PS2 and Wii versions are $90 and the Xbox 360/PS3 versions are $100. Much better!

I have a sneaking suspicion I won't actually play this game online. I barely play anything online. If I do get the Wii version, I hope they find a way to address downloadable songs. I don't mind $10 booster packs in cardboard sleeves!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I played this for a bit today and I think I agree with everything you said, silentmatt. My copy seems to work in 480p, but it doesn't make much difference—holy shit, does this game look bad.

It's not just the 3DO-style audience members (blown-up, pixelated flat sprites of identical animations) or the embarassing drummer animations (why does the camera keep switching to the drummer anyway? It's Guitar Hero);the art direction has taken a serious dive. Instead of the cartoony style that really played to the PS2's strengths and weaknesses, the new models and stages look garish, malformed and ugly. You'd think that shredding as a Japanese school girl would be about the best thing you've ever seen, but this looks like Mortal Kombat: Special Ed Forces.

As silentmatt said, the boss "battles" are really lame. Before the battle the screen tells you that you have to get fucking BATTLE GEMS and then you play a incomprehensible game of dueling banjos, minus all of the fun. Neversoft has taken a cue from their Tony Hawk games and is looking to replace the simple, arcade game mechanics of Guitar Hero with a game that is now decidedly not about playing guitar, but about collecting BATTLE GEMS.

So far I've only played two songs I give a shit about, which is disappointing. Also, Neversoft has managed to fuck up some really simple things, like (as was said before) the load times, the meters and even the Star Power activation. The on-screen meters aren't as easy to read quickly as the ones in GHII were, making figuring out when you should bust out the Star Power much more difficult during a fast song. Also, when you do manage to get Star Power going, it's much less dramatic then before; instead of the spark-shooting, fretboard-shaking send-off you got in GHII, the game just shows some comically-bad lightning hit the 'board, and then all the notes glow blue. No crescendo of fanfare and no screen-shaking feedback—it makes the whole even less exciting.

So far GHIII reinforces what I've always thought; Guitar Hero shouldn't be a series, it should be a format. GHII perfected the formula, I think, and now all we really need are song packs. This game is entirely unnecessary and leaves a hefty stain on the Guitar Hero name you won't likely soon forget.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i actually like the new character models; they look like the sort of almost-realistic caricatures you might see in old mtv animation or a music video (they make me think of land of confusion more than anything). they mean more to me than the forgettable cartoon characters of the first two games. though yes, it does seem sloppy around the edges. and there's really no reason to continue producing these games when the only change of significance is the song list.

(i've been watching my sister play the wii version.)

so what's the story again? harmonix split to do rock band, and neversoft was hired to continue guitar hero?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh man, I don't know how you could say that. Judy Nails, for instance, went from being a really cute caricature to a misshapen troll. The models look like when western ad agencies try to mimic anime characters and seriously miss the boat.

Your summary of the development situation is correct. It must not be fun to be handed a franchise phenomenon you didn't create and be expected to carry the torch. I feel kind of bad for Neversoft.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've gone back a few times since to continue the "expert" career... and, if you ignore all the visuals, the game does have a few songs that are interesting from a chord/note progression standpoint.

But yeah, the visuals still look atrocious to me. I'm also having a much harder time with hammer-ons than in previous versions. I don't know if it is because of the new TV, being out of practice, or if they changed how to properly activate them... but I can't pull them off as easily as I could previously.

Speaking of characters - what happened to Pandora?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, Silentmatt and Lestrade, are you guys going to continue playing the horrible-looking PS2 version because it was "free," or are you going to pony up the $100 to move on to next-gen?

From the sticker sheet included with the guitar it looks like Neversoft did the "lead" Next-gen version and Vicarious Visions got handed the last-gen one to do a hackjob (the front sticker sheet has a Neversoft sticker, and the hidden one has a Vicarious Visions sticker). This is how the Tony Hawk games are handled too. The only reason a PS2 version exists in this case is to sell to people who are going to buy something because of marketing regardless of the quality. It's basically the Wal-Mart version of Guitar Hero.

I've heard that the PS3 controller doesn't work with Guitar Hero 2. That's bullshit. At least it will work with Rock Band.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See... this is the thing, though - if the GH3 guitar worked with GH1 and GH2 on the PS3, I would be first in line to trade in my 2 guitars and go "next-gen" with the series. I'd probably even go out and buy GH1 and GH3 if that were the case.

But, from what I've read, the GH3 guitar is not compatible with either game. Which, to me, is pretty much an insult. I don't want (and, I tell you, neither does my girlfriend) 6 or 8 or 10 plastic instruments cluttering up our small apartment. As such... I'm probably going to wait with the PS2 version til there someone out there realizes how stupid this is and makes a set of instruments that will work with all the Guitar Heroes and Rock Band.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No shit! Thanks for clarifying that, Wes; that makes total sense now.

Everyone seems to be having fun with this game except me, and that upsets me. I really want to play some Dragonforce, but I don't want to duel Tom Morello and collect BATTLE GEMS. And I'd like to get the Xbox version, except:

• the guitars aren't compatible
• my 360 just red-ringed, and it may blow up at any minute!

So I guess if I want to retain the ability to play Trodgor, I should get a 360 copy of GHII and then buy the game-only version of GHII? I'm not keeping my PS2 GHII; I need that for trade-in value.

This is all waaaay too fucking complicated. I don't have this kind of time or cash to waste.

Can anyone vouch for the Wii version? Does it look as bad as the PS2 game?

EDIT: 1up and IGN state that the GHIII Gibson works in GHII; so which is true?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, my problem with guitar hero is that the characters feel empty. like every element of the game is a slick, soulless parody. i'm supposed to be guiding this character toward achieving her dream of rock and roll fame, but i just don't see that when i look at guitar hero and guitar hero II's characters. they feel so manufactured. guitar hero III's characters, at least, feel like struggling, unpretty musicians.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can understand that, though to me I don't feel the characters are anything other than pretty things to look at while rocking out. I don't feel that I embody them; they are just there to show how awesome I'd be if I really were a rock star. It doesn't go any deeper than that.

So, yeah: no pretty = :-(
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dessgeega wrote:
well, my problem with guitar hero is that the characters feel empty. like every element of the game is a slick, soulless parody. i'm supposed to be guiding this character toward achieving her dream of rock and roll fame, but i just don't see that when i look at guitar hero and guitar hero II's characters. they feel so manufactured. guitar hero III's characters, at least, feel like struggling, unpretty musicians.

Yeah, I'm with Lestrade. I mean, I do agree with you, dess, it's just that it doesn't matter really since I'm not really looking at them when I play. The closest I've come to caring about the characters is with these new animated cutscenes and they don't even take into account the character you choose.

Also, I'm not sure about Guitar compatibility at all, I just read somewhere that the PS3 guitar had some compatibility issues with GH2 (oddly though, not with GH1). And I've read that the Rock Band guitar doesn't work with Guitar Hero, but the Guitar Hero guitar does work with Rock Band.

The only issue I have with the GH3 guitar is that the star power seems to get used the instant you tilt your guitar upward at all. If I'm not paying attention I find that any time I build up my star power it gets used instantly. That blows! Also the guitar battles really suck. Whoever thought making success dependant on your skill in item use rather than your skill in playing guitar was a good idea is an idiot. At least the number of times you are forced to play it is sparse.

The next Guitar Hero should have a mode where the lead guitarist has to sing and play guitar at the same time. It wouldn't quite make the game into Rock Band and it would fit with the game concept a lot more than "collect and use items to win!"

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I guess GH3 for Xbox might be safe after all (for guitar compatibility and whatnot). Hmm...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My roommate brought home the wii version. It's considerably prettier than the PS2 version, the load times aren't horrible, it doesn't take 30 seconds to autosave between songs, and it has online play. So yeah, the ps2 version really, really sucks, alright.

The battle mode is astonishingly terrible, to be sure. It wouldn't have been that bad if the items weren't all so unbalanced - use any of them and your opponent is pretty much fucked, and vice versa. I mean double notes? Do they actually expect people to be able to nail fucked up 32nd-packed chord solos? That all you have to do in order to win against the CPU is not miss the first item and then use it against the cpu every time they get to a BATTLE POWER area is just ridiculous. The rest of the game's songlist is great though, and I look forward to playing people online.
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