The Gamer's Quarter

[LordGek]

Yeah! I cleared Table Mountain on the DS version and am finally getting to see some of these Bonus Dungeons.

Some random facts I've picked up so far I found interesting.

-While you can bring upto all three buddies with you into the Trap Dungeon...buddies are actually a pain in the ass in this dungeon! There is a clever new rule in effect in these dungeons to the effect of, "You only get full experience for a kill IF they first wandered into some sort of trap." So while you don't have to kill them via the traps, the monsters need to at least wander into one before you or your buddies kill them OTHERWISE you'll only get 1 xp for the kill. While you're buddies benefit from this rule as well (i.e. they'll get you full credit if they kill somebody after they hit a trap), they really don't care about this rule and will kill (or at least attempt to kill) any baddy they see on site. So if you bring in buddies you'll never get much experience!

-Fei's Final Problem WAS NOT just available as soon as I cleared Table Mountain! As best as I can figure I had to at least make a run at both the Food and Trap Dungeons (no need to complete them in any way) before Fei would let me into his Final Problem.

-I've breifly seen at least one of these NEW Bonus Dungeons to the DS, the one you find on level 30 of Table Mountain. The fact that this dungeon STARTS at level 31, its clearly a continuation of the first dungeon. So its only a good thing you're allowed to bring all of your stuff from the Main Story Dungeon and not have your level reset.

[Shapermc]

Ok, this game really needs to get translated into english and come out here. I can't stand to emulate this game anymore (SNES) and there's nothing else on a home console that I can get the experience from.

Damnit, I've still never seen level 20.
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[LordGek]

Could you pick up the traps even in Shiren the Wanderer SNES?

I was under the impression the picking up and setting of traps was something NEW in Asuka Shiren (Dreamcast and PC 2002)?

While this is primarily a remake of Shiren the Wanderer SNES, I swear I see influences here and there from Asuka Shiren (but admit I may have just forgotten a lot of what already was there in the SNES version)..

[dessgeega]

[LordGek]

[dessgeega]

it's a way to play a translation-patched rom on a real console.
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[Mister Toups]

[LordGek]

[Mister Toups]

nope!
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[LordGek]

[Shapermc]

[LordGek]

[LordGek]

Hey Camus!

In the main Table Mountain dungeon has at least four folk in need of assistance. Give them what they need and they'll reward you:

Crying little girl wants a vision herb and will kiss you giving you a point of strength.

Potter disciple needs a scroll of indentify and, if he gets it, everytime you meet him later in the game he'll ID your pots.

Give the old man your food ration when he pops up and he'll give you a Level up herb.

BUT...there is a guy in a white robe with a black sash that wants SOMETHING from me and I have no idea what he's asking for.

So what is he asking for and what will I get in return? If I recall right once I give him this item he'll be sort of like the potter disciple and offer his services free everytime I see him.

Are there other folk in the main dungeon of the DS version that want me to toss them something?

[LordGek]

[CamusSirius]

[dessgeega]

[LordGek]

[CamusSirius]

[CamusSirius]

Hi LordGek.

I did not find any FAQs for blank scrolls but just sites which listed them all.

I listed the DS scrolls below.

Name as found in the dungeons / simple Japanese name / what it does

あかりの巻物　　　　　　 あかり　　　　 　　　 Lights up whole floor
混乱の巻物　　　　　　 こんらん 　　　 Confuses enemy
識別の巻物　　　　　 しきべつ 　　　 ID
バクスイの巻物　　　 ばくすい 　　　 Sleep
おはらいの巻物　　　 おはらい 　　　 Removes curse from items
地の恵みの巻物　　　 ちのめぐみ 　　　 +1 to shield
天の恵みの巻物　　　 てんのめぐみ 　　　 +1 to weapon
真空斬りの巻物　　　 しんくうぎり 　　　 damage to enemy
大部屋の巻物　　　 おおべや 　　　 Large Room
ワナの巻物　　　 わな 　　　 Makes traps
ワナがけの巻物　　　 わながけ 　　　 Makes traps work against the enemy for one turn.
困った時の巻物　　　 こまったとき 　　　 Scroll to be used in time of distress
メッキの巻物　　 めっき 　　　 plating for weapon and shield
吸い出しの巻物　　 すいだし 　　　 sucks items out of pot
ジェノサイドの巻物　　　 じぇのさいど 　　　 Genocide
おにぎりの巻物　　　 おにぎり 　　　 rice ball
パワーアップの巻物　　 ぱわーあっぷ 　　　power up
迷子の巻物　　　 まいご 　　　　　　 you get lost (map is cleared)
拾えずの巻物　　　 ひろえず 　　　 you cannot pick up items from then on
モンスターハウスの巻物 もんすたーはうす　　　 　monster house
自爆の巻物　　 じばく 　　 blow up!
くちなしの巻物　　 　　　　 くちなし 　　you lose your mouth (can't eat, read, etc)
敵加速の巻物　　　 　　　　 てきかそく 　　　enemy becomes fast

聖域の巻物　　 　　　　 せいいき 　　　　do not read but place on the ground (holy ground)
全滅の巻物　　 　　　　ぜんめつ 　　　　annihilation

I did not ever really use blank scrolls (only used a few) so I cannot say for sure, but the 'simple Japanese name' listed above, is what you would probably need to inscribe on the blank scroll. I was not successful in finding a way to use it for Genocide...couldn't find anyone who knew either..

[LordGek]

[LordGek]

[CamusSirius]

[LordGek]

[LordGek]

Hey Camus (yet again)!

Do you know, roughly how scoring works in Shiren the Wanderer DS?

I ask since I think I made a neat discovery but its more likely just WISHFUL THINKING.

I made two runs in the Bonus Food dungeon the other day, one where I buffed my guy up to 8th level before I even entered and another where I went straight to the dungeon via cart guy (so still level 1).

I got a HIGHER SCORE with the guy I went straight into the dungeon with (107,000) even though the cheapy cheater guy (I still feel building up vefore you go into the dungeon is just a cheesey loop hole) made it a level deeper in the dungeon and was at least three experience levels higher when he died.

So it was like this:
Straight In Guy died on level 6 at experience level 7 for 107,000
Cheater Guy died on level 7 at experioence level 10 for 100,000

One difference MIGHT be simply that the Straight iIn Guy got almost as far dungeon depth wise in A LOT LESS TIME...so is there some sort of time bonus in the score?

[LordGek]

Okay, I think I'm probably just repeating myself here but the Trap Dungeon is more twisted than I initially thought.

Shiren meets clever puzzle game!

If you missed my earlier post about this here is how experience works in this dungeon:

Kill baddy directly w/o a trap being recently set off on it: 1 Exp.

Kill baddy a few turns after he sets off a trap: Standard Exp. Value.

Kill baddy a few turns off setting off multiple traps: Standard Exp. Value x number of traps set off (the exact same trap triggered multiple times doesn't count).

So Shiren, in this case, almost turns into a puzzle game where, if wanting to maximize your Exp. you'll need to setup clever combos of traps that hit a monster, send it across the room to hit another trap and so on.

While its pretty clear how these combos will effect one's experience, I'm not sure how the character's experience ties into their final score.

[CamusSirius]

[LordGek]

[LordGek]

Calling CamusSirius!

I think I just saw something that produced great sadness in me IF I read it right:

http://dungeon.jp/shirends/aitemu_udewa.htm

I see a bonus list of bracelets with some really interesting ones not available in the SNES Shiren the Wanderer but it looks like they might ONLY be available as "Rescue Rewards", something I'll never be able to do on my own.

So the big question, is there any way short of doing rescues to see some of those bracelets in the lower list OR are these reward for clearing the dungeons or something I can do on my own?

THIS JUST IN:
What do I need to do to SAVE Gaibara (the MAD MASTER POTTER)? I saw him on level 16, talked to him, and then saw him several times since that point again and again until I finally died on the 22nd level. When I awoke again it looks like he's still considered missing so I have no idea how I'm actually supposed to return him to the surface.

[CamusSirius]

[CamusSirius]

>Unfortunately the bracelets are only from rescues.
Just want to add that the above is what the people in the site say.

[LordGek]

[CamusSirius]

[LordGek]

[CamusSirius]

[LordGek]

Hey Camus,

Where's Pekeji? Ever since he helped me discover the Deep Ravine dungeon I've never seen him appear on the Main Dungeon (Table Mountain) run. Is he lost in the Deep Ravine or do I need to do something special to see him again in the game?

[Fred]

I hope I don't derail the ongoing conversation, because it is very helpful. However, if I may sidebar:

[CamusSirius]

[LordGek]

[simplicio]

Is Yangus coming out in the US at some point?

I ordered Izuna yesterday. I'm thinking of it as trading up from Pokemon Mysterious Dungeon.

[Shapermc]

[Nana Komatsu]

Amazon delayed my copy of Izuna to next week.
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[LordGek]

[LordGek]

Haven't gotten a chance to play yet (work, hurry up and be over already) but have read the manual and this little dungeon crawler looks like its got some decent depth to it.

Determining how much damage you'll do can get downright complicated in this game it looks like. There is the weapon's basic attack power (which will decrease as its worn down), there is your experience level, there is your SP level (sort of your magic/hunger level which decreases when you're hit or use a talisman) but in the meantime add something to your damage, your LUV level of that weapon (not sure if say familiarity with a type of weapon carries over to others of that same type but think its really just based on how much you use THAT PARTICULAR set of steel claws, for example, not even another set of steel claws)

...and this is all before even getting to whatever talismans you have in effect on the weapon (which are cumalitive so putting on multiple fire signs means more fire damage) or factoring in the baddy's basic defense levels.

So There!

[Shapermc]

Yes, this all sounds well and good... but you keep your levels. This sounds like it may have all the bad parts of Chocobo Mystery Dungeon and Nightmare of Druaga, but potentially be a bit more interesting/moe.
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“The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932

"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!"

[dessgeega]

i'm not sure what moe means! i've been playing izuna, though.

it's really boring. the dungeons are just boxes with lines drawn between them. i found a big room once, but the floors in this game are tiny - there were only five enemies and four items on the entire floor. enemies, with few exceptions, are pretty interchangable. you spend all of your time wandering around, bopping enemies, and going to the next floor. it's closer to torneko than to shiren.

actually, i would probably sooner call izuna a jrpg with random dungeons than a roguelike. the things in your inventory feel more like "items" than tools. talismans can be used instantly as scrolls or stuck to weapons as enchantments, but that's just the gameplay into the boring item-forging game that seems to be the thing the developers spent the most time on. enchant a weapon, use another item to make it a permanent stat boost, enchant the weapon so it will be sent back to the storehouse when you die, repeat ad nauseum.

you also accumulate ninja equipment like shuriken and caltrops. you can spread caltrops on the floor, and when an enemy walks over them, it - takes a little bit of damage. what if the enemy's leg got hurt and it moved at half speed? imagine how great a real ninja roguelike would be. izuna's not a ninja, she's a monster-bopper. the screen is too small for any interesting tactics.

and it's a shame. the script is really great, the animation is extra cute and the music is pretty hot. but the game is completely bland. and no one has been groped.
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[simplicio]

So on the scale of Pokemon MD to Shiren, where does it land?

[Shapermc]

[LordGek]

I have yet to get the "rhythm" of the game...like once you've played a game for a while and can say, yes this is a good weapon or I know I'll be able to take out that snorkel fish with just one more hit.

I'm actually liking it so far and think the creatures and items are more interesting than dessgeega gives them credit. Most items are more than just their ATT or DEF ratings, like armor that protects you against certain special attacks or a weapon that has a chance of knocking the monster back a space.

Some folk on GameFAQs, and one never knows if its all talk, they've been playing some ROM for a few days already or what, but claim to have already gotten to the final story dungeon after just a day of playing!

Even if that is possible I have faith this game's post dungeon, in which you start off empty handed and level 1, will humble these folk as there won't be any "pre-buffing" (equipment or character build-up) to help you out.

[Shapermc]

[LordGek]