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the new IC forums should be called
insertpenis.com
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winkerchoice.com
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stfutoups.com
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locked (icyclam choice)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajutla wrote:
We can talk about METROIDVANIA OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL WE DIE. That's the goal.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajutla wrote:
NEO IC FORUMS

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looooooooolzor

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Insert Cartridge is nice because you can still visit the IC forums! It also implies a certain fundamental shift (arcades to homes!) but retains a lot of that old feeling (videogames! insertion!) that everybody likes.

Changing the default color scheme should not be an option ;_;

Totally agreed.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajutla can we just use pongism.org I think that would make a fine url/home
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with ajutla. Like it or not, the IC forums are done. Bear in mind much of the current IC regulars came because of the IC frontpage coverage, or the articles on the main site. The opportunity now is to bring in people who are explicitly looking for an intelligent videogame discussion forum.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ajutla can we just use pongism.org I think that would make a fine url/home


I like it more than forumaxe.com, not gonna lie
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maz wrote:
I'm with ajutla. Like it or not, the IC forums are done. Bear in mind much of the current IC regulars came because of the IC frontpage coverage, or the articles on the main site. The opportunity now is to bring in people who are explicitly looking for an intelligent videogame discussion forum.

God damn. You say that like you actually read all of his post.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Changing the default color scheme should not be an option ;_;

Totally agreed.
guys quit being extremely silly okay

you're embarrassing me in front of my hip gamer's quarter friends
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

psiga you don't want to fuck with me
you ain't nothing but a girl to me
you ain't got the balls to beef
we ain't never gonna stop beefing i don't squash the beef
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Psiga wrote:
Maz wrote:
I'm with ajutla. Like it or not, the IC forums are done. Bear in mind much of the current IC regulars came because of the IC frontpage coverage, or the articles on the main site. The opportunity now is to bring in people who are explicitly looking for an intelligent videogame discussion forum.

God damn. You say that like you actually read all of his post.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maz wrote:
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I'm with ajutla. Like it or not, the IC forums are done. Bear in mind much of the current IC regulars came because of the IC frontpage coverage, or the articles on the main site. The opportunity now is to bring in people who are explicitly looking for an intelligent videogame discussion forum.

God damn. You say that like you actually read all of his post.


Wait did I do good or bad

dum dum DUMMMMM
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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psiga you don't want to fuck with me
you ain't nothing but a girl to me
you ain't got the balls to beef
we ain't never gonna stop beefing i don't squash the beef

I hear that Tetris is the pinnacle of Japanese game design. confirm/deny?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nearly every active poster on IC has a serious case of ADD.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajutla wrote:

To do anything else is fucking backwards. To say you want to "relocate the community" is just kind of fucked up - it's not about the people, it's about the INTELLIGENT VIDEOGAME DISCUSSION we supposedly have. We want to make sure we do a good job of creating a neat place where that kind of talk can THRIVE, so NEW BLOOD can come in and we can all have like, you know, BIG DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SHIT. We can talk about METROIDVANIA OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL WE DIE. That's the goal. New people can come in and they can talk about Metroidvania too.


You're saying its impossible to relocate a whole people yet you want to relocate a idea.

You're solution is to, instead of making the new forums a direct copy of the old ones (at least at first) is to try to make something new and unproven. I don't see how you're plans conform to your wants.

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Otherwise you are creating a DEAD FORUM and it won't be an inspiring place it'll be like fucking RESIDENT EVIL, with all these FUCKING ZOMBIES, only there'll just be one BIG ZOMBIE, and that will the NEO IC FORUMS, kind of a sad pale imitation of some other shit.

No, it will be the same. Maybe it won't work, because people will be like, "Hey, I used to love the old IC forums. But whats this? Yeah, all the posts, people, and my user name is still there and completely the same, but OH FUCKING HELL this URL is different! Fuck that shit, I'm out of there!" But I doubt it.

I don't know guys I was pretty fucking pissed off when I found out the IC Forums had been nuked over some really pathetic sounding bullshit. I'm in a mood to get back to them first before we try making something new.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I think purple on black was a poor combination.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can't "get them back," showka. They're gone. No matter what revived form they take, the forums will never be exactly what they were before. It's like if you put your brain into the Internet - sure, it'd be a copy of your mind and it would be (possibly) alive in some future sci-fi sense, but it wouldn't be the same thing as you, y'know? Rather than cry about the loss of a cool place on the Internet that we used to hang out at, let's find something good in all this. Make our own place with a similar mood and hopefully most of our old buddies, but make it better, and hopefully not repeat the same mistakes as the owners of our old hangout. Life goes on; just roll with it, man. Make lemonade out of lemons. Et cetera.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoever's in charge is going to have to be very careful with this. The situation is delicate; it's becoming malleable, but it could still easily break if dropped right now. I trust Mr. Toups to come up with some sort of base for the time being.

Concerning the front page: just don't make it like NeoGAF. NeoGAF is self-obsessed and disgusting, and whatever they tried to do to make whatever they were trying to make on their front page failed miserably.

I can see the front page as a sort of wiki though. Some important people would be in charge of news or forum activity news or whatever, but a community-created, expandable front page could attract those who never would have bothered with it, while enriching, well, whatever gets posted there.

Oh, and we should definitely just start over, with the standard news and "what video games are you playing" threads in place. It'll be slow for a while, like it was after the last crash, but things will pick up again.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys don't worry I know what I'm doing as both forum badmin and front page contributer.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope so wankerwanker
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mechanoriINtransit wrote:
I hope so wankerwanker


You misspelled his name, it's witsonwanker.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LegatoB wrote:
We can't "get them back," showka. They're gone. No matter what revived form they take, the forums will never be exactly what they were before. It's like if you put your brain into the Internet - sure, it'd be a copy of your mind and it would be (possibly) alive in some future sci-fi sense, but it wouldn't be the same thing as you, y'know?


I really don't get this concept. If I created an exact atomical duplicate of anything, it would be the same. Maybe you can get religious or philosophical and think that it would be a zombie or something, but that's still speculative.

I really don't get how some of you think resurrecting the old forums will be like doing some heretical voodoo in order to bring back somebody's dead relative. Like they'll come back a zombie or something horrible will happen because it's unnaturual. All we'd be doing at first is moving the old forums to a new server (sans the child porn and about a day of bullshit, I hope) which is about as naturual and common as you can get on the internet. Why is everyone so convinced the forums are "dead"? They're not an organic life form, and we can bring them back just like Optimus Prime and Robocop.

Also, if we want to get as much of the old herd to come to the new place, we have to keep their rooms they way they left them. It'll be a lot harder for people to move back if everything's different or they can't find some thread, just because thread resurrection is a lot more intuitive than starting a new thread based on an old one and saying, "Hey guys, lets talk about this topic that some of you may remember from the old forums..."

Now, I know a lot of you may think that doesn't matter, because shit, things die, might as well start new threads and have new discussions. I agree with you completely. But based on the discussion here in the last two days, a lot of people have some threads they want saved and they all seem to be different. So lets just save them all.

And I think a signifcant number of people will at least try to get back into it if it appears- at first glance- that the new forums are a perfect recreation of the old ones. And I think its important that we get those people back, for the following reason:

mechanorilNtransit wrote:

NeoGAF is self-obsessed and disgusting, and whatever they tried to do to make whatever they were trying to make on their front page failed miserably.

I think if we make new forums, they won't have any link at all to IC unless people go on and on about disucssing how the new forums are linked to the old ones and creating manifestos about how things will be different and better here, etc. It will be unavoidable, and I think it'll be horrible to have the first posts on a forum focus on something like that, to look backwards so much. So why not just copy the forums and get on with it from there?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that the core audience is worth more than any other group of people that made up the IC ... experience. There are lurkers that never posted on them but went to visit the irc channel. Maybe they discussed the topics there, and only there. Maybe someone else from the irc channel then took that and posted on the forum, bringing some god damn sunshine into your life. Maybe some lurkers told their friends about insert credit, boosting its popularity and maybe getting new visitors in that became part of the core audience. Who's to judge what that is worth? Less than 1000 posts? Less than one great comment that made your day? More?

I know that only people that actually speak their minds right now can make a decision. Yes. Still, being short sighted and choosing not to look at the big picture is the wrong thing to do. Be appreciative of the past and the people of the past. The insert credit community means a lot to me. It really enriched my day to day life with all sorts of injokes and insights. By introducing me to people that I hold dearly even now. By supplying me with some kick ass mp3s. I value the community and I want other people to make the same good experience with it. I care for the community and I care for the surroundings that created it. The very things that made IC what it was, with all the good and all the bad. What is happening now is people seeing the opportunity to right everything that they felt was wrong with insert credit. The forums not being represented enough on the frontpage. Articles from the forum not going up on IC. How power was handled by the staff.

And, honestly, I don't see any solution in a clean start. Cleanness is unstable. Did you ever vacuum your floor just to find it dirty again, minutes afterwards? How is a fresh start going to solve anything? Sure, new rules. Can't those be realized with "the old IC"? What about old fashioned problem solving? Working things out together. I'm not liking this mock up of a revolution, of an overthrow or exile in a new fucking country that people set up for themselves. I think the political education of all of us should tell us better than what is happening right now. This is politics in a pure form. And yes, in a community of videogamers. Or is this a break up because mommy and daddy don't love each other anymore?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck the old forums.

Get a grip. We're all here. I'm sure we can cope with a bit of change. It'll be good.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean ... let's face it. We are all writing on the same big piece of paper. All of us. This is an "open text". And that thing is alive... somehow. This forum is way beyond wires and cable connections. We are our very own RPG.
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what
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wankerwitson wrote:
Fuck the old forums.

Get a grip. We're all here. I'm sure we can cope with a bit of change. It'll be good.
ben (ajutla) confirm deny
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't quote yourself winker, that's against the rules.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Psiga wrote:
ajutla wrote:
psiga you don't want to fuck with me
you ain't nothing but a girl to me
you ain't got the balls to beef
we ain't never gonna stop beefing i don't squash the beef

I hear that Tetris is the pinnacle of Japanese game design. confirm/deny?


but of course
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wankerwitson wrote:
Fuck the old forums.

Get a grip. We're all here. I'm sure we can cope with a bit of change. It'll be good.
ben (ajutla) confirm deny


winker you have injected this thread with a dose of liquefied truth
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

man eminems first two albums were good

ajutla Listen to Common
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i like the electric circus and like water for chocolate

am i cool enough winker
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boo english is your second language yes?
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Do you like Be Be is easy

also Donuts ajutlA Donuts

probably The Grind Date as well.
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Re: the "WHY CAN'T WE JUST COPY THE OLD FORUMS?" guys:

First, Brandon's already said we're not going to get the old account information, and I'm not sure what would happen if one were to attempt to jam the old posts into a new forum without all of the same users. For all we know that's impossible or would require so much work that no one would actually do it. Hell, this would be a good time to switch to a better (or at least newer) message board system! We might not have wanted change imposed on us, but like it or not, it's been imposed. We should harness it for good, and use it to make new, better forums.

We can't go home again, so stop crying for us to do so.
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wankerwitson wrote:
man eminems first two albums were good

wait what was his first album,

winker the only rappers in the world worth anything at all are american/french confirm/confirm
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Legato's got a good point. Aren't PHPbbs one of the least secure types of forums? We should upgrade to something better with more features.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LegatoB wrote:
Re: the "WHY CAN'T WE JUST COPY THE OLD FORUMS?" guys:

First, Brandon's already said we're not going to get the old account information, and I'm not sure what would happen if one were to attempt to jam the old posts into a new forum without all of the same users. For all we know that's impossible or would require so much work that no one would actually do it.


I'm almost postive I or some other technically minded person could do this if we had access. In theory it sounds extradonarily simple and Hot Stott Bot already explained how it would work.



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showka wrote:
LegatoB wrote:
Re: the "WHY CAN'T WE JUST COPY THE OLD FORUMS?" guys:

First, Brandon's already said we're not going to get the old account information, and I'm not sure what would happen if one were to attempt to jam the old posts into a new forum without all of the same users. For all we know that's impossible or would require so much work that no one would actually do it.


I'm almost postive I or some other technically minded person could do this if we had access. In theory it sounds extradonarily simple and Hot Stott Bot already explained how it would work.

yes, yet we will never have access to the information due to a conflict of privacy

if you don't stop bringing it up everyone will post in a way I dislike
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boo english is your second language yes?


Yeah. I usually check what I write to make sure it's clear enough but I don't do it all the time. French syntax, I guess.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LegatoB wrote:
Re: the "WHY CAN'T WE JUST COPY THE OLD FORUMS?" guys:

First, Brandon's already said we're not going to get the old account information, and I'm not sure what would happen if one were to attempt to jam the old posts into a new forum without all of the same users. For all we know that's impossible or would require so much work that no one would actually do it. Hell, this would be a good time to switch to a better (or at least newer) message board system! We might not have wanted change imposed on us, but like it or not, it's been imposed. We should harness it for good, and use it to make new, better forums.

We can't go home again, so stop crying for us to do so.


True, but we can certainly create an archive of as much of the post content as possible without any of the profile information. For example, if the forums were temporarily put online again briefly, someone could archive the old content.

That would be nice!

If Brandon is cool with putting the forums up again in a super-secret location or something for a little while in the near future, I would be glad to start preparing something to make a replica of how the forums would look to an unregistered use at their last moment.

Second, there's no reason the infrastructure couldn't remain identical if we wanted it to.

As for changing the forums for the better...

I think one of the advantages to seperating is that, yes, we will have the opportunity to change the forums for the better! However, I don't think we should make changes until the forums have been restored to something as close as possible to their original state and then we can start making threads devoted to individual changes, etc., on our own site, and in a slower way, once we've made an effort to regather as much of the community as possible.

If you want to split off and make your own new forums, then that's fine, but as for this project, I think the fairest solution for everyone involved is to start as close to home base as possible and make incrimental changes.

You know, an iterative model of the sort that's proven to be effective over the years.


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Boo wrote:
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boo english is your second language yes?


Yeah. I usually check what I write to make sure it's clear enough but I don't do it all the time. French syntax, I guess.

it's pretty good!

I mean, for what it is!
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re: showka -
In theory, maybe. In reality, it may be no simple task. Honestly, do enough people really want an exact copy of how the forums used to be on a new sever? Would it really justify the amount of effort required, and the inability to upgrade to a newer and better type of forum software? Would it honestly be worth dragging all of that extra baggage along with us? Blank slate or not, Brandon's likely going to want us to rapidly disassociate ourselves from Insert Credit so he can get whatever it is he wants to do with IC done, so we'll have to effectively become our own entity no matter what route we choose. Why drag along all the crap if we're going to be turning into something new anyway?

And again, Brandon's not going to give us the user accounts regardless of what you want, so this is pretty much a moot point.

Sometimes it's better to just move on.

Now, as for an archive of the old posts, I see no problem with that. There was some good stuff there. But I think we need to spend more time looking forward than looking back.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In theory, maybe. In reality, it may be no simple task. Honestly, do enough people really want an exact copy of how the forums used to be on a new sever? Would it really justify the amount of effort required, and the inability to upgrade to a newer and better type of forum software?


Well, we're not going to get an exact copy of all the threads and accounts at this point it looks like, but once again, the structure and aesthetics should be perfectly easy to replicate.

I don't see any logical reason why you would want to make a bunch of sudden changes. Once again, incrimental, iterative changes are the way to go. We make one change at a time, see how it goes, etc., etc.

For the moment, enough change has been thrust upon us, that we should be avoiding change at all costs.

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Would it honestly be worth dragging all of that extra baggage along with us? Blank slate or not, Brandon's likely going to want us to rapidly disassociate ourselves from Insert Credit so he can get whatever it is he wants to do with IC done, so we'll have to effectively become our own entity no matter what route we choose. Why drag along all the crap if we're going to be turning into something new anyway?


We've already disassociated ourselves with IC and become something new. We just happen to have a common point of origin and the same name at this point.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For the moment, enough change has been thrust upon us, that we should be avoiding change at all costs..


I don't think we should avoid change, but I don't think we should necessarily embrace it either. I'm just saying that we should chill out, not worry about reproducing the forums pixel by pixel, go with the flow, and make sure that we get the same vibe and atmosphere that we had going before -because that's what's really important. Otherwise we're sacrificing clarity of vision in the name of slavishly reproducing something that's dead, which I'm just uncomfortable with.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wankerwitson wrote:
Do you like Be Be is easy

also Donuts ajutlA Donuts

probably The Grind Date as well.

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For the moment, enough change has been thrust upon us, that we should be avoiding change at all costs..


I don't think we should avoid change, but I don't think we should necessarily embrace it either. I'm just saying that we should chill out, not worry about reproducing the forums pixel by pixel, go with the flow, and make sure that we get the same vibe and atmosphere that we had going before -because that's what's really important. Otherwise we're sacrificing clarity of vision in the name of slavishly reproducing something that's dead, which I'm just uncomfortable with.


Oh, I agree with what you want, but I just think you're underestimating how hard it could be to recreate the same vibe and atmosphere, and how important some of those pixels might be to doing it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay guys I think everyone is making this way to difficult or I'm making it too easy. If anyone has some technical reasons why what I'm saying below is wrong, please fill me in because it seems like we're making a mountain out of a molehill with this whole privacy thing.

The only privacy conflict is the IP addresses being stored for each post, right?

Looking at this right now, at first glance the IP address is only stored for each post. I'm a bit rusty on my SQL, but all we'd have to do is get someone to log into the database and replace every value in the "poster_ip" column of the posts table to some other value.

Like this:
UPDATE phpbb_posts SET poster_ip = 127.0.0.1

Bam, no more IP addresses, no breach of privacy. Right?

If Brandon doesn't want to do it, well, he can just christen someone else as the admin and they can do it because technically they wouldn't be a third party (the privacy policy was the standard PHPBB stuff, right? Then everyone should know their IP address or other info could be accessed by an admin or other person representing the forum). Then after they blanked out the IP addresses we could copy the SQL db over and move on with our lives.

If there's extra super secret user information stored somewhere else I see no reason it can't be blanked out just as easy.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

winker i don't like be, i have the grind date but have not actually listened to it yet, and i don't have donuts
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