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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:27 pm    Post subject: bioshock my monkey! (now also about SPOILARZ) Reply with quote

http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=2610

the developer walkthrough is h00g (120mb) but like, it totally just sold me on this. it's a first person adventure type thing. and one of the enemies has an ayn rand haircut. so giddy!

anyway, i think this is exciting and i'm pissed i can't get it as a mithras gift.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I saw this the other day and got intrigued to play it all over again. Though the designer guy narrating seemed a little over-enthused, but hell, I probably would be too if I were him.

When is this coming out, anyway? If it's this year then that's going to be fucking crazy. I was sold on this game when I read the Game Informer cover story from earlier this year, seeing it in motion just takes the froth to a whole new level.

Also, best water in a game. Ever.

editalso-Someone link me to a WinXP-compatible System Shock 2, if that's at all possible.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Mechanical wrote:
Yeah I saw this the other day and got intrigued to play it all over again. Though the designer guy narrating seemed a little over-enthused, but hell, I probably would be too if I were him.


I would have pride busting out of my ears if I was remotely linked to this game, let alone in charge of it like the people narrating the movie. This is good stuff! I hope I get to play this through sometime after its released, even if it's a long time after.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When is this coming out, anyway? If it's this year then that's going to be fucking crazy. I was sold on this game when I read the Game Informer cover story from earlier this year, seeing it in motion just takes the froth to a whole new level.


From everything I've heard, it's not coming out until sometime next year. I'd rather see them take their time on it than rush out a half-finished product anyway.

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editalso-Someone link me to a WinXP-compatible System Shock 2, if that's at all possible.


System Shock 2 runs fine on my WinXP system. I believe I had to install a WinXP fix for it though. You should be able to locate further information on getting it to run here. If you do get it running, there's also the Shock Texture Upgrade Project for replacing the textures with higher resolution versions.

I haven't played all that far through SS2 yet though. I bought a copy years ago, but it wouldn't run on my prior computer's graphics chipset, so I had to wait until after building my current system. Since I've had lots of other games to play, I haven't proceeded all that far through it. What I've played seems pretty cool though.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would have pride busting out of my ears


And this guy really sounded like he did! Not that it's a bad thing, just that it was the first thing I noticed five seconds into the video. He just sounded so nerdy that I felt nerdy too, and feeling nerdy by proxy was a new experience for me and I don't know if I'm comfortable with it yet or not.

. . .

But yeah! Bioshock is going to rock. I can't wait to attempt completely non-violent run throughs and such.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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System Shock 2 runs fine on my WinXP system. I believe I had to install a WinXP fix for it though. You should be able to locate further information on getting it to run here. If you do get it running, there's also the Shock Texture Upgrade Project for replacing the textures with higher resolution versions.

I haven't played all that far through SS2 yet though. I bought a copy years ago, but it wouldn't run on my prior computer's graphics chipset, so I had to wait until after building my current system. Since I've had lots of other games to play, I haven't proceeded all that far through it. What I've played seems pretty cool though.


Awesome, thanks. I've never played SS2 but with Bioshock coming out it seems like as good a time as any. Now I just need to acquire the game itself. I don't suppose it's still being sold anywhere?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

underdogs.

about all I had to do to get it running in XP was right click>properties>compatibility>run in compatibility mode for Win2k. Not sure that it's flawless though. I ran into some problems with an invisible monkey?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, you'd probably be best off just downloading it through some place like The Underdogs. My copy was already bargain priced when I picked it up around four years ago.

One thing that should be noted is that Bioshock is more of a spiritual successor to System Shock, so it should be starting from an all new storyline. The Adventure/RPG/Shooter style gameplay should carry over to the new environment, but I'm sure knowledge of the System Shock series won't be a necessity.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've started a new game of SS2 probably five times over the past three or four years. I get really into it for a while, and then I'll inexplicably drop it. T-too creepy, maybe?

Is anyone interesting in trying a co-op game? I hear it's pretty hot.
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I've decided I'm going to actively avoid the media coverage of Bioshock. It's not something I usually do (I obsessively consumed everything relating to Half-Life 2 and Oblivion) and I'm not sure why. I guess after reading a couple of the E3 reports earlier in the year, I realised I'd be buying the game no matter what, and any further info would just lessen the impact when it does arrive. Interestingly, I'm not sure whether my imagination will unrealistically raise my expectations more effectively than the media hype.

That said, I'm really having to restrain myself from checking out just a bit of that new video. I hope other people enjoy it.. bastards Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Six wrote:
I've started a new game of SS2 probably five times over the past three or four years. I get really into it for a while, and then I'll inexplicably drop it. T-too creepy, maybe?


Really? I found starting the game again every so often eventually dulled the creepy factor (not that it ever really turned me off playing - the contrary, in fact!) I actually only finished the game sometime last year, having played regularly since it came out. Maybe that's just because the later areas are a little 'different', in a Xen-from-Half-Life kinda way.

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Is anyone interesting in trying a co-op game? I hear it's pretty hot.


I definitely want to try getting through it in co-op someday. It seems like it'd be pretty difficult to play over the net though.. definitely more of a small-dark-room LAN game with a couple of friends. The one time I've tried it, though, the other players weren't really into it, and tried to play it more like a standard shooter. It didn't really work too well Confused
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System Shock 2 is not a very good game. The first few hours are AMAZING then it goes waaayyyyy downhill in every concievable way.
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I've decided I'm going to actively avoid the media coverage of Bioshock. It's not something I usually do (I obsessively consumed everything relating to Half-Life 2 and Oblivion) and I'm not sure why. I guess after reading a couple of the E3 reports earlier in the year, I realised I'd be buying the game no matter what, and any further info would just lessen the impact when it does arrive. Interestingly, I'm not sure whether my imagination will unrealistically raise my expectations more effectively than the media hype.

That said, I'm really having to restrain myself from checking out just a bit of that new video. I hope other people enjoy it.. bastards Very Happy


I didn't watch this video either, for the same reason. During the months prior to Half Life 2's release, I saw a lot of its screenshots and videos. Once I actually played it, many parts of the game felt like re-runs, and it was obvious that some things had been removed. While the game was still great fun, much of the element of surprise was lost, and I'd already seen a lot of the environments in advance. Developers should try to keep a fairly large portion of their game secret, and simply not release any screenshots from certain areas. I'm sure they want to show that their game offers a lot of different things to see and do, but releasing hundreds of screenshots covering just about every aspect of the game is excessive.

I looked over all the Bioshock shots earlier in the year when they were first released, and decided it looks great. I'll probably check some more screenshots and reviews around the time of its release, but I don't really want to follow every little piece of information that's released about it.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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System Shock 2 is not a very good game. The first few hours are AMAZING then it goes waaayyyyy downhill in every concievable way.


i must disagree. the very end, yes, is just kinda bleh. but everything leading up to it has the same kind of manic pacing found in the first.
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I think it's great right up until stereotypical-fps-fleshworld. Even then it's worth sticking around for the creepy voices constantly weirding you out while you're trying to complete the level. I love the section with the enormous elevator leading to the bridge. Coming down out of there with almost no ammo I encountered one of those hulking fleshmonsters. He charged me and I quickly ducked out of the way. He ended up in the elevator and was escorted to the top as I safely escaped. It was gorgeous.
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Yowza, SS2 is pretty good! Sorry, dhex, I'm hijacking this thread now.

For such an old game (when did this come out, anyway?) it has some great atmospherics. The first time I encountered a disappearing ghost person who appeared to have been speaking and acting out a past memory or something I got creeped right out. Security cameras that trigger a MGS style alarm are neat too.

I'm playing as a Navy officer because I thought I'd like the whole hacking computers aspect of the game but I have zero hacking skills. Maybe I should have taken a different door during one of my early years?

Love the PDA stuff too. Now I know where Doom 3 got the idea.

I'm gonna have to play through again as a full on military dude, and then another time as a full-on psi dude. This game is pretty nifty so far. Every time I turn a corner and something explodes I jump a little in my seat.
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I sense a snowball growing. I'm going to get my copy out (if I can find it) and give it a shot again. Like so many things I enjoyed it a lot but just didn't stick with it.

Do you find it's more valuable when you can talk to people about it, or is playing solitary best? I've been going through the Silent Hill games with a friend (controller passing) and I don't think it's the best way to experience them.
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Yowza, SS2 is pretty good! Sorry, dhex, I'm hijacking this thread now.


no worries. the glory of my heteroboner for warren spector only throbs more, uh, ewww?
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Hey, hey, I'm playing Ultima Underworld tonight.
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Yowza, SS2 is pretty good! Sorry, dhex, I'm hijacking this thread now.


no worries. the glory of my heteroboner for warren spector only throbs more, uh, ewww?


Warren actually had nothing to do with the second game. Possibly why it seems so poorly designed in my opinion! Let me find that review that explains half the reasons why I hate it:

http://www.caltrops.com/review0010.php

I also found like two pages of stuff I wrote explaining why I think the game is a load of rubbish, but I'll spare everyone that or now. The original System Shock was rad! Shame about the interface.
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my mancrush on spector has clouded my memory!

well, needless to say i disagree with the review. the weapons breakage was included for a reason.
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Mr. Mechanical wrote:
Every time I turn a corner and something explodes I jump a little in my seat.

No matter how many times I play, that exploding chair right at the start gets me every time. Even when I'm totally expecting it.

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well, needless to say i disagree with the review. the weapons breakage was included for a reason.

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my mancrush on spector has clouded my memory!

well, needless to say i disagree with the review. the weapons breakage was included for a reason.


The weapon breakage COULD have been great, but it was implemented so poorly. It was tense at first but it soon became a total pain in the ass every time a weapon broke and I ended up just rolling my eyes in frustration rather than going "oh shit what do i do now Sad". I still ended up playing through the whole thing to see what all the fuss was about, but it only got worse. I really wanted to like SS2 (it was made by an Australian company, after all. Actually, I'm not sure if the Aussie studio created it), and it has so many great ideas but I just felt the execution was terrible. The weapon breakage is just one item in a long list of things that I felt were just... well, broken. A mess.

I'm really hoping Bioshock is the game SS2 could have been. In interviews, the creators said they realised they made lots of design errors with SS2 so I think it could be great. Like REALLY great. Then again, I hoped Halo 2 would be the game Halo could have been, but I remain hopeful.

Anyway, that's my opinion and that's yours so in other news, I've been playing Dark Messiah of Might and Magic which is basically a fantasy Deus Ex that concentrates on the combat/stealth aspects. It's also hilarious.
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I don't know if I'd call it a fantasy Deus Ex. It could have just been the demo, but it felt quite linear and fairly limited in terms of what you could do. That doesn't mean it wasn't totally fun and, you're right, hilarious! Especially being picked up, thrown onto the ground, then kicked off a cliff.
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Hey, hey, I'm playing Ultima Underworld tonight.


how?! I've been trying to get both of those games to work on XP (dosbox seems too slow) and nothing seems to help. If there was an exult style deal for those games it would be heavenly.
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Hey, hey, I'm playing Ultima Underworld tonight.


how?! I've been trying to get both of those games to work on XP (dosbox seems too slow) and nothing seems to help. If there was an exult style deal for those games it would be heavenly.


There is a patch that makes them work virtually perfectly on XP.

http://www.sircabirus.com/download/uw2wnt.zip

(works with both games). Use that in conjunction with VDMsound, and it works perfectly.

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I don't know if I'd call it a fantasy Deus Ex. It could have just been the demo, but it felt quite linear and fairly limited in terms of what you could do. That doesn't mean it wasn't totally fun and, you're right, hilarious! Especially being picked up, thrown onto the ground, then kicked off a cliff.


I'm playing the full version, but even the demo was pretty free. Well, once you hacked the game and played with all the options. There was even an alternative entrance into the building, allowing you to easily avoid any combat.

But now that I think of it, I'd compare it to IW more than the original Deus Ex. The "dungeon" areas that is.
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I played System Shock a really long time ago when it first came out and I loved it to death. I hardly remember any of it anymore, but I have the impressions and certain levels burned into my head. My dad got the game for me.

I have always been interested in SS2, but i should probably hold off and just get straight into BioShock.
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Game Informer has an article about System Shock 2 this month. Kind of informative in that not really informative kind of way.
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holy shit i am going to replay the hell out of underworld I and II. especially II. it's so fucking freaky! it was one of the few games i ever bought a guide book for because the wizard school was, like, incomprehensible.

actually, i don't even know if i have these on cd. i know i have the ultima collection (though i can't give exult a shot due to not having dungeon keeper or whatever that game is) but i don't remember if underworld was included on it.

i'm really into bioshock's stab at actual moral ambiguity (rather than amoral actions with no contrast outside of self-preservation) especially in regards to those creepy fucking little girls.
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Underworld's not on the Ultima Collection that I have (it runs 0-8, 0 being Akalabeth).

I should play through Ultima IV again. Christ that was good. I've yet to play the Underworld games. I tried DOSBox first too, and it was bad. I'll try the XP patches later today.
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Underworld's not on the Ultima Collection that I have (it runs 0-8, 0 being Akalabeth).


i have that collection! ultima V IVlife.

i've yet to play the ultima underworlds at any considerable length. i'll probably wait until they're on gametap.

hey, someone go answer my question in the gametap thread.
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ultima 5 is the height of the old school, and 7 part 2 the height of the new.

oh shit ultima thread maybe tomorrow!
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It's funny seeing dhex get all giddy over an RPG.
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DosBox works fine for me with no twiddling. I just put the emulation speed up.
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I could drone on about System Shock 2, but all I'll say at this point is that the ending is absolute horseshit and is a total let-down, but that never stopped me from playing it over and over, though never as a PsyOps officer.

I'm currently without constant Web access, so I can't watch that video yet, but issue 167 of Edge has a very interesting interview-cum-article on the game. Maybe when I get bored, I might try scanning or typing it out. If the pedigree wasn't good enough, the notion of a John Galt pseudo-utopia going to Hell, as it rightfully should, is making me giddy.
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more games should be art deco'd out.

i didn't play ultima five though i did get tie fighter to run. it's cool and hard.
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Remember when BioShock was supposed to take place in an abandoned World War II research facility with Nazi troopers cross-bred with giant insects?

The Art Deco aspect is really quite genuine in feel. I like the Vernian style Big Daddies too. It's got that old-school sci-fi feel and it's looking lovely.
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(though i can't give exult a shot due to not having dungeon keeper or whatever that game is)


hm? Exult is just a windows front-end thing for U7 1 and 2. All you need are the original games.
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You know, I'm having a hard time distinguishing moral ambiguity from amoral survivalism in this game.

I mean, sure, you could exploit the creatures living in Rapture, but isn't it more reasonable to adapt to their dynamic lifestyles, considering you're stranded in unknown territory for an indeterminate amount of time, instead of exploiting and therefore bringing antagonism to you?
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I've found this download site for old System Shock 2 game:
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Oh, yeah, I finally watched the Bioshock video that became available on XBL...

Amazing. It has jumped up to my most anticipated "new" game for the 360.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A second trailer is out.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I began looking forward to this vehemently when I read the aforementioned Game Informer cover story. The developer walkthrough, though... it actually made me feel let down. I think it's just because the experience of playing such an open and non-linear game filled with choices and options is belied by any presentation of that kind. I'll stay away from further material until the game is out and I have played it myself.

So, I guess, if you haven't watched the vid yet, I'd recommend doing so only if you were not already sold on the game.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey, did we ever have that ultima thread?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no, not yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked the walkthrough trailer but the developer who was narrating it pissed me off for some undescribable reason. Probably because he reminds me of quinten tarantino, who I also can't stand (though I love his films).

Dude just sounded like a fucking wank though.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

isn't there a law that states game dev narration must sound as lame as humanly possible? he's an enthusiastic guy, to say the least, which is better than being bored i suppose.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it hard to hate on Ken Levine when he writes great stories yet always focuses on the gameplay first.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Second gameplay trailer, called Hunting the Big Daddy.

Forgive the GameTrailers link, but this trailer is only up on GameSpot as far as I can tell, so no HD download yet.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

man am i jazzed about bioshock.

the way the kid runs away is fucking creepy.
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