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seryogin JRPG Kommissar
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 886 Location: Occupied Stalingrad
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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McSweeney's is really shitty. I don't like Vice either.
And about the dude's jacket. I knew plenty of guys who dressed like that (minus the Harlem cap; they weren't complete morons), and dressing like that really is "breaking all the rules" in Russia, cause you seriously have to worry about people beating the shit out of you whenever you step outside. This is no joke; Friday drunks (which is about 90% of the country) really love any reason to pick a fight and unless someone's driving you and picking you up, there a 50/50 chance that you're going to have to fight/ run away from a few dickheads on your way home or to the place. _________________
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kirkjerk .
Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1227
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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International hiphop is kind of a strange beast.
I was visiting England (on a terrible, terrible bus tour my family arranged, 3,000 miles in 2 weeks is no way to see a country) and had to burn a little time, so I was watching some music videos. What I learned from that was this: the French use "Mais Oui!" as a rough equivalent of "Awwww Yeah!"
I guess it's good that this thread hasn't quite devolved into a dumb game I play with my girlfriend, which is to wait until I hear some little aspect of Russian culture that seems odd or suboptimal (and look; obviously Russia has an amazing culture, not to mention kickass pragmatic engineering etc) and say "geez, no wonder you guys lost the cold war" I mean, heck, they don't have a word that easily indicates if a door is shut and locked or merely shut! What's up with that? (And to my credit, there's been a thousand things in the English language and/or American culture that I've been willing to say "yeah there's no good reason for that, it just is that way") |
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seryogin JRPG Kommissar
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 886 Location: Occupied Stalingrad
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know why you'd focus on that aspect; there are hundreds of other things to gripe about the Russian language. _________________
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 6279
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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seryogin wrote: | there are hundreds of other things to gripe about the Russian language. |
Like how you can't read it as an english speaker? _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
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kirkjerk .
Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1227
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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seryogin wrote: | I don't know why you'd focus on that aspect; there are hundreds of other things to gripe about the Russian language. |
Well, the fact is that I'm craptastic with languages so in about 1 1/2 years of dating and hanging out with her family I've picked up about 10 words, maybe.
I like the cognate for "machine" because Russians also use it for "car". |
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seryogin JRPG Kommissar
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 886 Location: Occupied Stalingrad
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Shapermc wrote: | seryogin wrote: | there are hundreds of other things to gripe about the Russian language. |
Like how you can't read it as an english speaker? |
Man, why are you acting up? Like I know you can totally read and understand Australian and British, as well as New Zealandish and Irish. I mean, WTF man, you're like a crazy polyglot. _________________
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dhex Breeder
Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6319 Location: brooklyn, Nev Yiork
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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assjack: irish is an actual language. it reads like a bad headcold.
beautiful people, though. _________________
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seryogin JRPG Kommissar
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 886 Location: Occupied Stalingrad
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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dhex wrote: | assjack: irish is an actual language. it reads like a bad headcold.
beautiful people, though. |
hex, I know Gaylic is a language...Oh, snap.
edit: this thread is becoming too ax like and TGQ ain't nobody's bitch. I am leaving. Bye Guys. _________________
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Lockeownzj00 .
Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 214
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | 5nizza (a very annoying spelling for the word for Friday) is actually Ukrainian, they sing in that devil langauge. I don't remember ever hearing anything by them, though I'll check this song out. |
Really? My Russian teacher and I translated the song and it didn't seem to deviate from any typical Russian grammatical rules... |
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dhex Breeder
Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6319 Location: brooklyn, Nev Yiork
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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actually, gaelic is the scotch version of this celtic family of languages.
THE MORE YOU KNOW! _________________
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seryogin JRPG Kommissar
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 886 Location: Occupied Stalingrad
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Lockeownzj00 wrote: | Quote: | 5nizza (a very annoying spelling for the word for Friday) is actually Ukrainian, they sing in that devil langauge. I don't remember ever hearing anything by them, though I'll check this song out. |
Really? My Russian teacher and I translated the song and it didn't seem to deviate from any typical Russian grammatical rules... |
Ah...I was misinformed by my rap and Ukrainian-hating friend. They're from Kharkov, a predominantly Russian-speaking city in Ukraine (also the setting of The Young Scoundrel, one of my favorite books) so they most probably sprezchen ze Russian. And Ukrainian is grammatically the same as Russian. Only the vocab is different.
And, shit, Mike, don't get all Irish-y on me. Gaelic is what it's commonly called whether the provos like it or not. Besides, the only words that ever mattered in that tongue were Sinn Fein. _________________
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dhex Breeder
Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6319 Location: brooklyn, Nev Yiork
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Besides, the only words that ever mattered in that tongue were Sinn Fein. |
OH COME ON! COME ON!
i'm so going to get drunk and throw potatoes at you next time we hang out. GREEN POTATOES NO LESS.
also: i'm almost done with the don flows back to the sea. it's still good. _________________
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helicopterp .
Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 1435 Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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kirkjerk wrote: | International hiphop is kind of a strange beast. |
No kidding. I went to a Talib Kweli show in London last fall, and both his openers were British hip-hop groups. I used to think Dizzee Rascal's flow was unique, but ALL of them use that voice-cracky, unintelligible style, and these guys were dressed alike and really gimmicky, to boot. Talib was bangin' though.
And I really like the Russian language. I like that a lot of the verbs that English would use with helper words (like 'get') are all integrated into one interesting word. _________________ Like you thought you'd seen copter perverts before. They were nothing compared to this one. |
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kirkjerk .
Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1227
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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helicopterp wrote: | And I really like the Russian language. I like that a lot of the verbs that English would use with helper words (like 'get') are all integrated into one interesting word. |
I gotta say I think I still groove more on what I know of German (and unfortunately, possibly the temprement)... German language is like legos for syllables!
Though I like that Russian doesnt bother with the differerence between "a spoon" and "the spoon" ... just give me damn spoon! (Actually, for a giggle, try to make the distinction betweeen "hand me this spoon" and "hand me that spoon" that doesn't just say "well, this means it's kind of closer") |
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simplicio .
Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 1091
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 1:12 am Post subject: |
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helicopterp wrote: | kirkjerk wrote: | International hiphop is kind of a strange beast. |
No kidding. I went to a Talib Kweli show in London last fall, and both his openers were British hip-hop groups. I used to think Dizzee Rascal's flow was unique, but ALL of them use that voice-cracky, unintelligible style, and these guys were dressed alike and really gimmicky, to boot. |
Well, that'd be Grime as a whole, and you might as well be accusing Dirty South rappers of slurring their speech here. The brilliance of grime is that it's managed to fuse an unrelated musical style (2-step) with a specific pattern of speech to make the first real viable UK hip-hop subgenre (outside of Roots Manuva's dub-based explorations and Mike Skinner's diary, but those both rely too much on the individual to gain a wide army of copycats). You couldn't successfully separate the vocals from the music- grime wouldn't work with American accents or beats; it's distinctly British. So far Dizzee's been the only one to make a good full album (2!) out of it (Wiley's was trash; we'll see about Lady Sovereign), but from the various comps you can see it's a self-sustaining thing. By this I mean there are moments of brilliance, but there are also moments of idiocy which still manage to sound good, so there's potential for people of all walks to take part successfully.
Back onto the international bit: the only similar successful fusions of linguistic identity with hip-hop invention I've found have been TTC/Le Cuizinier's anticon-macho-disco-posse in French and Tha Blue Herb's Japanese syllablisms over degenerating beats. (And aspects of both are remarkably similar to each other). If anyone can point me in the direction of other such interesting material I'd be obliged. That Dolphin fellow sounds like a start. Have you got any links to his material, seryogin? I have a feeling I'm not going to get far searching for literate Belarassian hip-hop on my own, even on slsk. |
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dhex Breeder
Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6319 Location: brooklyn, Nev Yiork
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 7:17 am Post subject: |
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lady sovereign is northern state for guys who are really into date rape. _________________
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Lockeownzj00 .
Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 214
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Though I like that Russian doesnt bother with the differerence between "a spoon" and "the spoon" ... just give me damn spoon! (Actually, for a giggle, try to make the distinction betweeen "hand me this spoon" and "hand me that spoon" that doesn't just say "well, this means it's kind of closer") |
This is a misconception. While articles provide a unique dynamic in a language, when translating and listening to languages without them, they appear naturally. I take Japanese, too, and I've never had a problem trying to figure out whether it's "the" or "a," the situation and construction of the sentence always implies it. |
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dhex Breeder
Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6319 Location: brooklyn, Nev Yiork
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 10:31 am Post subject: |
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unrelated: is your nick a reference to john locke as in "john locke owns you fuckers" type shit?
cause if so you are now god. _________________
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kirkjerk .
Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1227
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Lockeownzj00 wrote: | Quote: | Though I like that Russian doesnt bother with the differerence between "a spoon" and "the spoon" ... just give me damn spoon! (Actually, for a giggle, try to make the distinction betweeen "hand me this spoon" and "hand me that spoon" that doesn't just say "well, this means it's kind of closer") |
This is a misconception. While articles provide a unique dynamic in a language, when translating and listening to languages without them, they appear naturally. I take Japanese, too, and I've never had a problem trying to figure out whether it's "the" or "a," the situation and construction of the sentence always implies it. |
What's the misconception? I just double checked, Russia doesn't have articles...
Or is the misconception that they "miss it"? I don'never really doubted that it's pretty easy to figure out from context in most situations... |
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simplicio .
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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dhex wrote: | lady sovereign is northern state for guys who are really into date rape. |
Is she? I haven't really followed her scene/persona, but that verse on Run the Road was pretty delicious; I was under the impression that Northern State had nothing going for them except being 3 (terribly) rapping girls. LS seems to at least bring her own inflection to the table, and it seemed infectious to me. Not that I'd be surprised if her eventual album shows her to be entirely propped up. |
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | (terribly) rapping girl |
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GilloD .
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't mean to dissapear from the discussion, but I got a real 9-5 that was annexed with apartment hunting for the better part of last week, so I was getting in at 11 and waking up at 6 and the internet wasn't all that appealing. On the upside, I signed a lease in Brooklyn, so hooray.
I suppose McSweeney's and the asthetic that sorrounds it is either something you like and enjoy or you despise not only MS, but those that like and enjoy it. It's fine either way, but it reminds me of when the broker asked us why we hated a place last week. "Was it too small? Did it not have enough windows? Was it too dirty?" and all I could say was, "It just didn't feel right". Also, "workshop-y" is not a valid critcism of anything, but blah blah, this is a thread about hip-hop now, so, uh. MF Doom? |
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helicopterp .
Joined: 13 May 2006 Posts: 1435 Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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GilloD wrote: | so, uh. MF Doom? |
I dunno, haven't heard it yet. I've been meaning to pick up that and Gnarls Barkley. I've been grooving on Southernunderground by CunninLynguists for a while now, though. It's pretty good, and my insides smile everytime there's an Andre 3000 line mixed into the beat (which happens on about 3 songs). _________________ Like you thought you'd seen copter perverts before. They were nothing compared to this one. |
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dhex Breeder
Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 6319 Location: brooklyn, Nev Yiork
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 6:54 am Post subject: |
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where in brooklyn?
the gnarls barkley album is quite smashing. _________________
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GilloD .
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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dhex wrote: | where in brooklyn?
the gnarls barkley album is quite smashing. |
On the outer edges of Williamsburg, like a block from the Grand Street L. Nice place, can't complain. |
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kirkjerk .
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:04 am Post subject: |
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On a whim I picked up "Blue Wizard is About To Die"
It's kind of Lucky Wander Boy-ish in some of its analysis and mood, maybe not quite so much.
False advertising though, it claims to be "prose and poetry" but it looks like just poems. Given that I consider myself more of a prose guy, I was a little disappointed. |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 6563 Location: bohan
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: |
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i have a signed copy of blue wizard.
i rather like it. _________________
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