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Dracko .
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | 5. IT’S NOT ENOUGH TO JUST DISLIKE SOMETHING |
i like this point but it leaves out a more interesting one: such tactics are insulting to the demographic it presumes to cater to.
there's probably a devo quote in here somewhere that explains it better. _________________
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Dracko .
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Male game article writers care a lot. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:11 am Post subject: |
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incidentally, i'm writing an article for the escapist's "girl power 2" issue at this very moment.
incidentally, one of the paragraphs is about lara croft. _________________
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: |
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she's pretty inescapable.
unless, like me, you never played tomb raider. i'm not really into grave-robbing. _________________
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:26 am Post subject: |
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dhex wrote: | unless, like me, you never played tomb raider. i'm not really into grave-robbing. |
i've never played tomb raider. but she's a good (my current draft says "archetypical") example of the kind of image my piece is trying to interrogate. _________________
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: |
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archetypical is a good neologism. _________________
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Tablesaw .
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:20 am Post subject: |
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I demand more jokes about Leonard Cohen farting. _________________ It's the saw of the table! |
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:28 am Post subject: |
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"i've smelled the future baby, and it's murder" _________________
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GSL .
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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dhex wrote: | unless, like me, you never played tomb raider. i'm not really into grave-robbing. |
I absolutely LOVED the two good Indiana Jones movies as a wee child, as well as the awesome graphical adventure game for The Last Crusade that Lucasarts put together back when they were still LucasFilm games. The premise always appealed to me, but I never played Tomb Raider because it felt just TOO derivative. It was like an Indiana Jones game (and apparently not that good of one) which replaced Harrison Ford with boobs. Which I suppose works for some people.
And the way to appeal to girls in games and game articles is to increace the amount of chocolate-chip cookies present. I am not a girl, and even I am excited about finding chocolate chip cookies in articles I read!
The link doesn't work, btw. |
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Faithless .
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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I am a female writer who does not write for girls. I write for gamers. I hate this tripe. _________________ www.call-to-adventure.com
Don't Refuse. |
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Dracko .
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Greatsaintlouis wrote: | I absolutely LOVED the two good Indiana Jones movies as a wee child |
You mean Raiders and Last Crusade, right? _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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fun fact: when i finally figured out what the stones from temple of doom (totally amazing, btw) were (in a class on hinduism and modernity) i laughed for a good five minutes. _________________
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GSL .
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Dracko wrote: | Greatsaintlouis wrote: | I absolutely LOVED the two good Indiana Jones movies as a wee child |
You mean Raiders and Last Crusade, right? |
But of course! I said the two good movies, right? |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Faithless wrote: | I am a female writer who does not write for girls. I write for gamers. I hate this tripe. |
we don't actually ever write about "girls in games". men do. and they're required to be as patronizing as possible.
i'm just writing about how much i hate the phrase "girl power". _________________
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dhex Breeder
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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d000000d temple of doom is so much better than crusade, except for the line "he's in the belly of the steel beast!" _________________
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Dracko .
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Temple of Doom boasts brilliant set pieces but the most annoying sidekick and female leads ever. _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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Kinuko .
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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I generally dislike girl gamer websites. It's incredibly distracting and annoying when reviews have to have a paragraph about why something empowers women more.
I also think that Fragdolls are the most retarded thing ever. |
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ApM Admin Rockstar
Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 1210 Location: Ottawa, ON
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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dessgeega wrote: | we don't actually ever write about "girls in games". men do. and they're required to be as patronizing as possible. |
Well, except for that one unprintable submission we got that really wasn't much better.
I like the analysis of Leisure Suit Larry in this article. |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Kinuko wrote: | I also think that Fragdolls are the most retarded thing ever. |
hey, stop writing my article for me! _________________
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SuperWes Updated the banners, but not his title
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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ApM wrote: | dessgeega wrote: | we don't actually ever write about "girls in games". men do. and they're required to be as patronizing as possible. |
Well, except for that one unprintable submission we got that really wasn't much better. |
Dude. You're not supposed to talk about contributor pieces in the public forums! Even worse than the submission we recieved was the girl gamer article that ran in the Escapist. I can't believe they put it in their "best of" issue... (I'd like to point out that we're now ragging on both our contributors and our "competition" in the same thread! Woe is me.)
Anyway, I think the article linked to above is supposed to be satirical. As satire I think it ain't too shabby!
-Wes _________________
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ApM Admin Rockstar
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, it was just the example that occurred to me, of a piece written by a woman which fell into many of the traps outlined in this article. (That particular submission had some good ideas, but AFAIK we never heard back from the submitter about fleshing them out. Just to make it clear that I'm not trying to rag on our contributors. Please, submit things! We are constructive in our criticism!)
And yes, the article is quite good. It's especially nice that he takes the time to bring up constructive examples of strong female characters, woman game designers, videogames that handle sexuality intelligently, etc, rather than just saying "HERE ARE A BUNCH OF DUMB THINGS STOOPID PEOPLE WRITE ABOUT". |
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Mr. Mechanical Friendly Stranger
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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I always seperate the Indy movies into two categories: The first and third films are like the bookends to his story, with the first being our introduction to his method of archeaology, the third being his final adventure (even though I hear they've started filming a fourth movie), and the second being one of his more stranger and hair raising adventures.
Myself, I really enjoy all three of them on their own as just good summer popcorn movies.
And Short Round is awesome. "No time for love, Doctor Jones!" |
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GSL .
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Dracko wrote: | Temple of Doom boasts brilliant set pieces but the most annoying sidekick and female leads ever. |
Mr.Mechanical wrote: | And Short Round is awesome. "No time for love, Doctor Jones!" |
I'm sorry, but I have to side with Mr. Mechanical on this one. Sure, the female lead was annoying, but Short Round was possibly the best sidekick in an Indy movie. If only he had been in Last Crusade...
And am I the only one who thinks that the whole issue of "girls playing games" is one artificially created and inflated by the media as a whole? I mean, I know plenty of female gamers in real life, and they all run the gamut from hardcore to casual, same as the menfolk. It just seems like the media gets a little overeager to target and even single out the 'girl gamers' like they're some sort of rare species of prehistoric catfish (not saying that girls are like that at all, but there is this one ex I have...) which, as many people already pointed out, opens the gateway for quite a few writers to make asses of themselves trying to understand this mysterious creature. |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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coughcrawfordcough _________________
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Dracko .
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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SUPERSTUD, PHD.
Superstud, a Moon educated intellectual and doctor, but also a greasy studcakes with an ALWAYS ajar whitecoat with manboobs peaking out needs DA LADIES help to guide penicillin and dexoyribonecules into the DYING TRACHEAS of patients, who are DRAMATICALLY DYING WHILE THEIR FAMILIES WATCH, OH NO
X-Box 360, PC Rated T for Teens _________________ "This is the most fun I've ever had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!" |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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incidentally, i've written lara out of my article. there are much better, more contemporary, and more personal examples to use. _________________
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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dessgeega wrote: | more personal examples to use. |
Darius Girl? _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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actually i've been writing about zero suit samus.
the contrast with fully-armored samus makes her a particularly interesting example. _________________
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DonMarco .
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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I should write an article that adresses how Duke Nukem empowers me to be a better man.
Also my feelings. _________________ Collector of over 1,538 strategy guides. That's weird, right?
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ryan .
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Kinuko wrote: | I generally dislike girl gamer websites. It's incredibly distracting and annoying when reviews have to have a paragraph about why something empowers women more.
I also think that Fragdolls are the most retarded thing ever. |
Most use pink in the layout a bunch. That seems counterproductive somehow. Well, aside from searing my retinas. _________________ Come to me, Mordel. We shall depart. |
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Shapermc Hot Sake!
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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ryan wrote: | Most use pink in the layout a bunch. That seems counterproductive somehow. Well, aside from searing my retinas. |
You forgot that it feeds the stereo type! Also that it is the color of a ... part... skin ... yeah. _________________ “The average man has a secret desire to be a swaggering, drunken, fighting, raping swashbuckler.”
-Robert E. Howard in a letter to a friend circa Decmber 1932
"There is no place in this enterprise for a rogue physicist!" |
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DonMarco .
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Eye lids?
Ewww. _________________ Collector of over 1,538 strategy guides. That's weird, right?
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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friedchicken .
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Ugh, that's pretty bad. I keep thinking that it's about time that someone started marketing real games in a non-condescending manner to women (atlthough I could probably argue that marketing to women in general shouldn't be essentially different from marketing to men), and then shit like this comes along. I'll email my wife the link-- she'll cringe, guaranteed! |
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SuperWes Updated the banners, but not his title
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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It's hard to always be the devil's advocate, but my 6 year old Niece has really been digging the DS lately, and the only games that she's interested in playing are Cooking Mama and Super Princess Peach. She wasn't even interested in Clubhouse games even though we always play dots and lines together.
I think the "girl games" thing is more a problem with living in a society where girls are told to like things that are made for them. Since we live in that society, marketers are forced to adjust.
It'd be nice if I could convince my niece that BRATZ isn't as good as Kirby, but she's more interested in what seems like something she might like than something she might actually like.
In summary: we should breed Elitists.
-Wes _________________
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friedchicken .
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Well, you're right Wes, but it's something of a chicken and egg thing here, since it's ultimately marketing (among other things) that tells women what they should want to buy. Fortunately it doesn't always take.
This is a fairly innocuous example of something that's pretty gross. |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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and i mean, no matter how technically excellent something might be, it can be hard to like it if it's dressed up to appeal to someone with completely different values than you. i remember someone on shmups.com telling me i shouldn't play videogames because i just couldn't get interested in mushihimesama because the game kept forcing me to look up a schoolgirl's skirt. mushi might be brilliant but i'll never know because i can't stand that shit. _________________
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dark steve .
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It's nice to know they weren't guarding then the strawberry shortcake license so adamantly for nothing.
Mushihimesama is for shooter nerds only, anyhow. And it looks horrible in scaled mode. _________________
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Redeye .
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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So, who was TLJ made for?
Guess the Pony! _________________ I felt sheer anarchic joy when I ran over my first pedestrian. |
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Nana Komatsu weak sauce
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Don't write game articles for girls!
Don't write game articles at all!
Don't play games!
Go outside and play in the dirt like the rest of your friends! |
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DaleNixon .
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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lol |
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dessgeega loves your favorite videogame
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miss video game wrote: | Requirements
1. Must have Personality
2. Must be a female? (No wigs and makeup guys)
3. Doesn't mind Video Games :P
4. Loves the beach |
i should totally apply to this. _________________
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DaleNixon .
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Do you mind video games? |
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